# The Essential Music Library: Folk **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 19, 2005, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260 "2005-12-19T05:38:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/1 "2005-12-19T05:38:52Z")
The Essential Music Library project is an attempt to get the many musical minds of the SDMB to sit down and discuss what works are absolutely necessary for a well-stocked musical library. There will be roughly 20 threads detailing a variety of genres so that we can get the depth that would be missing from a single-threaded discussion and the breadth necessary to cover what’s out there. This thread’s topic is folk music. Previous threads: [Project Planning](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=335665) | [Classical](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=336834) | [Rock](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=337956) | [Jazz](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=339051) | [Modern Rock](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=340081) | [Blues](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=341203) | [Punk/Post-Punk/New Wave](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=342310) | [Opera/Choral Music](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=343551) | [Rap/Hip-Hop](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=344056) | [Gospel](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=344690) | [Electronica](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=345226) | [Contemporary Classical](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=345831) | [Pop](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=345832) | [Film Music/Musicals](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=346844) | [R&B/Soul](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=347413) | [Grass & Roots](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=348001) | [Funk/Disco](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=348507) | [Non-Western/World](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=349132) | [Country & Western](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=349802) ---
**Author:** ![Waterman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b2d939/32.png) [@Waterman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waterman)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/2 "2005-12-19T05:49:02Z")
The list (in order of relevance) is: [ul] [li]Woody Guthrie[/li][li]Bob Dylan[/li][li]Pete Seeger[/li][li]Carter Family[/li][/ul] There are others but I will be patient and see what others have to say. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/3 "2005-12-19T13:02:57Z")
I fully concur with Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger. I’ve always been conflicted about Dylan. Yeah, he started in folk but I always felt that a lot of his popularity came from being intentionally obscurist (not unlike Tori Amos and suchlike). Folk admits of a WIDE definition. Does Loudoun Wainright III count? He certainly self-IDs that way. Are we looking for folk musicians in the traditional format or the wider way it turned into ‘anyone with a guitar and voice’? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/4 "2005-12-19T13:07:56Z")
I’d recommend Joan Baez, Dick & Mimi (Joan’s little sister) Farina, and Tom Paxton. ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/5 "2005-12-20T12:10:12Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > I’d recommend Joan Baez, Dick & Mimi (Joan’s little sister) Farina, and Tom Paxton. From this side of the pond: ENGLAND **Martin Carthy** **Ashley Hutchings** (In the field of folk/rock the man is a giant. Involved in the creation of Fairport Convention, Steeleye Span, Mr Fox and The Albion Band he has also masterminded many song/drama projects like \*\*‘Street Cries’, ‘By Gloucester Docks I sat Down and Wept’, ‘Albion River Hymn’ \*\* and **‘An Evening With Cecil Sharpe’**. And then there’s his folkdance projects…) **Ewan McColl** **June Tabor Maddy Prior** **Bill Caddick** (_vastly_ under-rated singer/songwriter. Check out his ‘best of’ compilation **‘Unicorns’** ) **Show of Hands** (monumentally talented duo, either as writers or interpreters of other people’s work) SCOTLAND **Dick Gaughan** **Run Rig** (socialist, Christian folk/rock. Partly in Gaelic) **Rock Salt and Nails** (youing, gifted and Shetlanders) ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/6 "2005-12-20T12:24:56Z")
I’d also recommend Pete Seeger, but the anti-war stuff from the Sixties is becoming cliched. I’d go back to his union days with the Almanac Singers. Robin ---
**Author:** ![PookahMacPhellimey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pookahmacphellimey/32/3175_2.png) [@PookahMacPhellimey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PookahMacPhellimey)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/7 "2005-12-20T13:43:09Z")
What **Boulter’s Canary** said. But I think you’ve got to give Sandy Denny a separate mention. I also like Martin Carthy’s daughter Eliza Carthy’s music. Come to think of it, his wife Norma Waterson is also a great singer as is/was pretty much anyone in that entire family. I personally think Shirley Collins (who was once in the Albion Band but did some solo work as well) is underrrated. ---
**Author:** ![Kizarvexius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/da6949/32.png) [@Kizarvexius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kizarvexius)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/8 "2005-12-20T15:02:11Z")
- The Kingston Trio - Peter, Paul & Mary - The Brothers Four - John Denver ---
**Author:** ![DfrntBreign](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@DfrntBreign](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DfrntBreign)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/9 "2005-12-20T16:19:54Z")
Does **Fairport Convention** belong on this list? How about **Arlo Guthrie**? \*\*John Prine? Steve Earle? \*\* I’m not trying to be confrontational or anything. I’m really just curious whether any of these peoples’ music is considered “folk” by people who know what that means. As I obviously don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Nimue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@Nimue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nimue)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/10 "2005-12-20T17:26:41Z")
Does **Joni Mitchell** count as folk? Certainly some of her work is; particularly the earlier stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Nimue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@Nimue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nimue)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/11 "2005-12-20T17:27:42Z")
Oops, just thought of a second potential addition – **Judy Collins**. ---
**Author:** ![PookahMacPhellimey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pookahmacphellimey/32/3175_2.png) [@PookahMacPhellimey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PookahMacPhellimey)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/12 "2005-12-20T18:33:25Z")
> [@DfrntBreign](#): > > Does **Fairport Convention** belong on this list? > How about **Arlo Guthrie**? > \*\*John Prine? Steve Earle? \*\* > I’m not trying to be confrontational or anything. I’m really just curious whether any of these peoples’ music is considered “folk” by people who know what that means. > As I obviously don’t. Slight hijack but yes, it’s interesting who calls what “folk”. Go to a record store in Holland and look in the folk section and it will English, Irish and Scottish music in a traditional vein (Fairport Convention, Solas, Tanahill Weavers and also The Dubliners) but NOT Bob Dylan nor Joni Mitchell. In Ireland traditional musicians do NOT want to be called folk musicians. “Folk” is something like the Clancy Brothers or quite possibly The Dubliners. Bob Dylan is sometimes referred to as a folk singer, sometimes not. Something like Fairport Convention would be English traditional music and is generally not referred to as “folk”. I’ve seen it lumped either with the Irish tradional music or even with World Music in record shops. As you can see from this thread, Americans have a completely different definition again. As far as I can see they think Dylan _is_ a folk singer, Irish traditional music is _not_ folk music (but was to be filed under World and Non-Western) and whether English traditional based music is, well, debatable. 😕 It’s very confusing so I just went with what other people thought should be in there and added on people from what I thought was the same genre. I think people should add on music _they_ deem “folk” as the worst that could happen is that people look outside of their usual genre and find some new good music. ---
**Author:** ![Godfrey\_Daniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Godfrey\_Daniels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Godfrey_Daniels)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/13 "2005-12-20T18:38:43Z")
The Weavers, Ramblin’ Jack Elliot, Phil Ochs, Gene Clark, The Journeymen/John Phillips, New Christy Minstrels. ---
**Author:** ![QuizCustodet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ba0ec/32.png) [@QuizCustodet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuizCustodet)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/14 "2005-12-20T20:18:37Z")
> [@Boulter's Canary](#): > > From this side of the pond: > > ENGLAND > \*\*June Tabor > … > **Show of Hands** (monumentally talented duo, either as writers or interpreters of other people’s work) I’d take issue with June Tabor - while she undoubtedly has a lovely voice, I think she has quite poor taste in what she records, which in my view would remove her from the essentials of folk music. Two clunkers that stick out in my mind would be ‘A Place Called England’ and ‘The King of Rome’. To give her her due, though ‘Mississippi Summer’ and ‘The Band Played Waltzing Matilda’ are both on my favourites list. Wanted to add an enthusiastic second for **Show of Hands** , though! A couple more suggestions: - Stan Rogers. He sang a mix of traditional music and his own compositions, mostly about life in rural and coastal Canada. - Oysterband. They grew out of a ceilidh band, but are generally heading in a folk-rock direction. I’d say the country focus and traditional influence keeps them in the folk category, but others may disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-essential-music-library-folk/336260/15 "2006-01-09T17:43:11Z")
> [@QuizCustodet](#): > > I’d take issue with June Tabor - while she undoubtedly has a lovely voice, I think she has quite poor taste in what she records, which in my view would remove her from the essentials of folk music. Two clunkers that stick out in my mind would be ‘A Place Called England’ and ‘The King of Rome’. To give her her due, though ‘Mississippi Summer’ and ‘The Band Played Waltzing Matilda’ are both on my favourites list. > Wanted to add an enthusiastic second for **Show of Hands** , though! A couple more suggestions: > - Stan Rogers. He sang a mix of traditional music and his own compositions, mostly about life in rural and coastal Canada. > - Oysterband. They grew out of a ceilidh band, but are generally heading in a folk-rock direction. I’d say the country focus and traditional influence keeps them in the folk category, but others may disagree. I _like_ ‘A Place Called England’ (though it’s author, Maggie Holland, performs it better). ‘The King of Rome’ is a bit naff, I’ll admit (It’s a song about a \*pigeon \*, for Og’s sake) :smack: I forgot Oysterband! \*wonderful \* group. And yes, I think they can still be called folk music.