# The eternal battle: Vampires vs. Werewolves **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 2, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178 "2003-09-02T17:49:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/41 "2003-09-04T05:11:08Z")
> [@](#): > > And keep in mind, no one wants to have sex with a werewolf. . Another voice of dissent, here. Oz (Buffy) and Remus Lupin (Harry Potter)? Oh. Man. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/42 "2003-09-04T11:36:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by El Elvis Rojo \* > \*\*Didn’t you jump in on another fictitious battle thread a while back and make the same kind of useless comment? You’re starting to take on the physicality of a seagul in my mind’s eye. \*\* Would that be the seagulls in Wereseagull: The Scavenging? \*\* > [@](#): > > I know they’re not real. I don’t think there’s anyone on the boards that does think they’re real (I could be wrong). \*\* I’d wager a small sum of money that at least one person on these boards believes that he or she _is_ a vampire. \*\* > [@](#): > > But that doesn’t stop people from wanting to share their views about such subject matter. Even if there were solid parameters and rules established for such things, people would still be able to alter them however they feel fit to work with whatever story they’d like to put them in. \*\* Be that as it may, the way you said it read like a Buffy fan saying he couldn’t believe in the Code 5s in **Ultraviolet** because they didn’t put a “game face” on to feed. I hope you can see how stupid that sounds. (Incidentally, whoever it was said they’d never seen a vampire stockbroker needs to see **Ultraviolet** ; it was the most grittily realistic vampire show ever made.) \*\* > [@](#): > > From my views,\*\* ITYM “In White Wolf’s view”. \ \*\* > [@](#): > > I also like the way the two have been portrayed over the years and the images they form in other’s minds. As has been pointed out, most see vampires working their “day jobs” as detectives or business men and the like, whereas a werewolf is more likely to own the organic food stand down the way. And it’s neat the way the job reflects the personality as well. I also feel a neo-primative would kick the crap out of a yuppy banker anyday, so maybe that also feeds my “Werewolves rule” mentality. \*\* Don’t forget that the yuppie bankers have guns. I’d imagine that, while being the underdogs (so to speak) in hand-to-hand combat, the vampires prefer to fight at long range or heavily armed. Any road up, it’s not an original plot. As a Usenet thread had it recently: “You do realise it’s just Romeo and Juliet with vampires, werewolves and post-Matrix visuals?” “Yes - but on the other hand, it’s Romeo and Juliet with vampires, werewolves and post-Matrix visuals!” ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/43 "2003-09-04T12:50:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Many of the Vampires in Asian lore can walk in the daylight and some are good. Until the movie Nosferatu, no one thought Western Vampires couldn’t. > [@](#): > > Interesting to note that the concept of the WereWolf was introduced in the 19th century in Asia. Yeah? So? They have their own shapeshifters. And, to tell you the truth, I believe there were some legends of wolves that changed into men. [quotte]In Japan the equivelent of the European Werewolf, is a BAKENEKO a changeling that transforms from a Human form to a feline form, in essence a WERE-CAT [/quote] I believe their were similar things, but in India. In Japan, you’re looking at Kitsune more than Bakeneko. Kitsune aren’t very vicious, although they tend to be somewhat troublesome. They make very good spouses, though, if you can convince them to stick around. They are quite faithful and very good lovers. OK, although werewolf and Vampire legends abound, I think the canon needs to go like this: Vampire Stronger than human strength, doesn’t seem to tire at all Drinks the blood of the living (leaving out the “breath-pires”, who simply stayed in their coffin and drank your blood or breath from afar) Can change into a wolf, bat, mist, or moonray Have a strong influence on the weak-minded (Jedi-Vampire!) Those killed by a Vampire return as such if the master so desires Cannot cross running water Cannot stand against a strongly presented crucifix or other Christian holy symbols Needs to drink blood once a night or so Can be killed by impaling them with a stake through the heart, filling the mouth with holy wafers, cutting off the head, burning the lot, and then burying the ash in holy ground. We’re not sure if something less will kill them, so maybe this is the best way. Werewolves Made a pact with Satan or have some dark curse on them Not sure if it transmits to its victims - may happen to cursed individuals but not to pact-with-Satan wolves Transform at will at other times but always at the full moon Transform into a huge wolf form - a variant of the Dire Wolf, with greater strength, stamina, and land speed than any human Semi-intelligent at this time, pact-makers have far better control Can be killed in wolf-form by silver weaponry or injecting Wolves’ Bane into them (like poison or coated onto some weapon Take damage from normal weapons, but these do heal relatively quickly It obvious which of these would most easily succeed in the modern day: Vampires all the way. They’d fit in pretty well around here. In fact, I suggest werewolves couldn’t even have gotten to the New World, as they’d have rapidly killed everyone onboard. A vampire may not have to kill their prey, and even so could find sources of blood. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/44 "2003-09-04T13:03:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Evil Death \* > \*\*Would that be the seagulls in Wereseagull: The Scavenging? > > \*\* > > I’d wager a small sum of money that at least one person on these boards believes that he or she _is_ a vampire.\*\* “Seagull” is an affectionate term used here in the office. It means someone who comes in, craps on everything, and leaves. Good to see you came back and supplied something important, I just may be changing my mind about you. As for the other comment, I agree with you on that, I was just trying to be polite. I thought I was a werewolf for a while, myself…of course, I was six at the time, and didn’t take it too seriously, but even then, I had formed my views on the subject for the most part. > [@](#): > > \*\* > ITYM “In White Wolf’s view”.\*\* No, I mean in mine. \*\*An American Werewolf in London[/g] and **The Wolfman** gave me my interpretations of how ferrocious and vicious werewolves are, and how they heal super fast ( **London’s** werewolf was not subject to the silver rule), and it was **Teen Wolf** that instilled the whole “maintains their sanity/intelligence while in werewolf mode” opinion of mine. As for vampires, my big influences were **Near Dark** and **Innocent Blood** for the more “realistic” aspect of the creatures. Of course, the story of _Dracula_ and all the other mythologies I’d read helped instill a different view of the more supernatural aspects of them (like, some can’t be killed unless you destroy every single aspect of them, whereas some just die after a while), but when it comes to the more simplistic, city dwelling vampires of today, I really liked **Near Dark** ’s “break their neck/bash in their skull/shoot them in the head” formula. Sure, they’re tough, but nothing really survives having it’s head twisted around. I’m also a big fan of Joseph Linsner’s character, Tobias Esque…38 years old, rotting, lives in the depths of a subway tunnel, and has to resort to using a knife to slit people’s throats. More “traditional” vampires exist in his world with all the other powers and such of vampires, but he’s never met one long enough to learn anything beyond the fact that they do exist. And if we pitted Tobias against the Teen Wolf (even the Jason Bateman incarnation), the werewolf would still win out. I liked _Vampire: The Masquerade_ because it agreed with a lot of my already existing views, but it didn’t determine them for me. I’ve got other media to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/45 "2003-09-04T14:07:56Z")
If age means power to a vampire, how would Mr. Oliver from the Anita Blake books do? He’s about the oldest I’ve heard of (a million years or so I think;though they never mention how he was turned). And for werewolves, throw in the furry folks from **Dog Soldiers**. Big, fast and capable of taking out British Special Forces soldiers without a shot. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/46 "2003-09-04T21:49:27Z")
> [@](#): > > And for werewolves, throw in the furry folks from Dog Soldiers. Big, fast and capable of taking out British Special Forces soldiers without a shot. Definitely. Of course, should the vampires take up residence in a poorly protected shack in the middle of nowhere, the wolves could be deterred for several hours. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/47 "2003-09-04T22:38:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by shy guy \* > \*\*Another voice of dissent, here. Oz (Buffy) and Remus Lupin (Harry Potter)? Oh. Man. \*\* You mean the two of them together? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/48 "2003-09-04T23:44:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by smiling bandit \* > **In Japan, you’re looking at Kitsune more than Bakeneko. Kitsune aren’t very vicious, although they tend to be somewhat troublesome. They make very good spouses, though, if you can convince them to stick around. They are quite faithful and very good lovers.** SOME Kitsune (some RARE kitsune) make good spouses. On the whole they’re selfish, manipulative, and enjoy nothing so much as making trouble. (One famous Kitsune worked her way from India, through China, and into Japan, marrying, corrupting and destroying kings - making them do things like torturing their concubines. Most are simply annoying rather than that vicious.) Nor are Kitsune the only shapechanging pranksters. There’s also Tanuki (AKA Raccoon Dogs, often misidentified as Badgers), who tend to turn into handsome young men, with a taste for sake, women, and mischief. But, anyway, depending on the mythologies involved, a Werewolf/Vampire fight could go either way. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/49 "2003-09-05T03:29:00Z")
> [@](#): > > You mean the two of them together? I think my brain just exploded. ---
**Author:** ![Dolly\_Dagger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Dolly\_Dagger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dolly_Dagger)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/50 "2003-09-05T11:10:36Z")
Real vampires aren’t Anne Rice creations or those teen pariahs who get their teeth sharpened and wear crazy contacts. They might live for a long time but not forever unless they learn to use the power of light in place of the power of night and then you wouldn’t have to worry about them anyway. They don’t crumble into dust on exposure to sunlight and some vampires are infact christians. There are three main types of vampire: those that have been turned vamp by another(this kind is week and may not become strong unless it discovers the path it is on), those that have died before their time, usually in a tragic way and have unfinished business(you can usually find these vampires resting in their graves by day), and the original and most powerful kind - those that have not died yet(undead) but have consumed their own soul and become one with it(no reflection). The latter would have no problem dealing with any kind of werewolf, but the former two would probably get the death kicked out of them. It also depends on what sort of state the vampire is in. Blah, blah, blah, I just made that lot up, I reckon this film is going to be a load of werewolf scat just like the rest of the werewolf/vampire movies I have seen. Seriously, someone could come up with something far more original with their butt if they tried.:mad: ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178/51 "2003-09-05T15:35:06Z")
> [@](#): > > SOME Kitsune (some RARE kitsune) make good spouses. On the whole they’re selfish, manipulative, and enjoy nothing so much as making trouble. (One famous Kitsune worked her way from India, through China, and into Japan, marrying, corrupting and destroying kings - making them do things like torturing their concubines. Most are simply annoying rather than that vicious.) Well, to be honest, the vast majority aren’t bad folk, er… foxes, abeit mischevious. A few of them get sort of nasty. But hey, when you are immortal, magical, and more cunning than all the humans around you, it easy to be that way. To their credit, most Kitsune like to teach us stuffy 'ol humans a lesson or three. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternal-battle-vampires-vs-werewolves/199178.md?page=2)