# The Eternals discussion thread. Open spoilers in OP **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [November 6, 2021, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871 "2021-11-06T02:42:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/21 "2021-11-16T18:33:35Z")
What I meant was, in the MCU, the Eternals are created beings—they don’t really have a mother or a father, save maybe the Celestial who created them. So in what sense are any two of them any more ‘brothers’ than any of the others? Or are they able to have offspring, and Thanos and Starfox are a later generation? But I mean, Ikaris and Sersi had a relationship for 5,000 years—would be odd if the topic never came up… ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/22 "2021-11-16T18:38:10Z")
I’m slightly amazed that no one ever looked at someone who’s power is: “can psionically stimulate the pleasure centers in nearby people’s brains, making them calm and open to suggestion using his persuasion skill. It has been suggested that when in physical contact, and there is direct line of sight between the subject and the target, Starfox can use this euphoria effect to cause a person or persons to become infatuated with him, objects, or people of his choosing or simply to make others feel good while in his presence” and didn’t flag him as a super-creep instead of an Avenger. Talk about Bad Powers. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/23 "2021-11-16T18:57:19Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > So in what sense are any two of them any more ‘brothers’ than any of the others? Or are they able to have offspring, and Thanos and Starfox are a later generation? In the sense that they were actually born. I don’t remember all the details, but it involved some sort of ring of power that allowed them to procreate normally. Most of the time, that is not something that Eternals can do. > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I’m slightly amazed that no one ever looked at someone who’s power is > … > and didn’t flag him as a super-creep instead of an Avenger In the later, more “woke” years of the comics, he was. He got sued for sexual harassment by She-Hulk, then voluntarily had his powers removed so that he wouldn’t continue to misuse them. OTOH, he was definitely the strongest Avenger when he was on the team, so, even with his problematic behavior, sometimes it was worth tolerating for the sake of saving the planet/universe/multiverse. (Keep in mind, I haven’t read the comics, but I game with people who do, so I hear all these sorts of things.) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/24 "2021-11-16T19:20:08Z")
Thought: Perhaps Eros will have Druig’s telepathy instead of his weird emotion power and he’s just another “version” of him? Interesting fact: The Black Knight, Starfox, She-Hulk and Monica Rambeau were all on the Avengers at the same time… ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/25 "2021-11-16T19:22:53Z")
I saw the movie yesterday and…meh. As others have mentioned, I felt like there was too much crowded in, and it probably would have been better as a two-part movie. It really felt to me like they were trying to compress several decades worth of comic book mythology and continuity into a single movie - which is kind of odd, since they were largely making up their own mythology for the movie and ignoring most of the comics continuity. And the Real Story of the Deviants and the Eternals didn’t make much sense to me. It wasn’t really a _bad_ movie, though. It had some effective set-pieces and character work, and it _looked_ great. At this point, I’m not sure Marvel Studios is capable of making a truly bad movie - they have such a machine set up that at their worst, MCU movies are just kind of workmanlike, underwhelming spectacles. One small bit that I really liked (but which the movie managed to undercut) - Sersei’s boyfriend. I liked that he just assumed Sersei was a wizard or something, and just took it in stride that her ex-boyfriend could fly and they broke up over a century ago. It makes total sense that by this point in the MCU, people are getting used to the weirdness of a superhero universe, and don’t get freaked out when they find out someone they’re dating is actually a superhuman. But then we find out he’s actually hiding his family history, and he’s not the normal guy he seems to be either, and he’s actually the inheritor of the Ebony Blade, because of the 4 billion or so men on the planet, Sersei just happened to fall for a guy that’s also secretly part of the super-hero world. Meh. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/26 "2021-11-16T19:42:53Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Sersei’s boyfriend. I liked that he just assumed Sersei was a wizard or something, and just took it in stride that her ex-boyfriend could fly and they broke up over a century ago. Yes, their relationship was very fun, what little we saw of it. And I’ll admit I wish we’d had more of Kit and Richard Madden onscreen together, just for the fun of it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/27 "2021-11-16T21:59:31Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > because of the 4 billion or so men on the planet, Sersei just happened to fall for a guy that’s also secretly part of the super-hero world. It probably takes an exceptional individual to attract the romantic attentions of an Eternal. She probably fell for him _because_ he was part of the super-hero world, even if she didn’t know it at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/28 "2021-11-16T22:38:26Z")
OK, I’ve seen it now and my random thoughts 1. Wait, the lead isn’t the Jon Snow actor? Kit Harrington has a minor role in this movie? I had no idea. I went in assuming Icarus _was_ Jon Snow. I was stunned when I realized they are not the same actor. 2. Angelina Jolie…was in this. But she had little to really work with and was wasted. 3. It was OK. I liked the last hour more than the first 90 minutes. I did not see the twist that Icarus was bad coming, but consider me terrible at looking for twist and so forth. This movie was better than Captain Marvel and Iron Man 2. And much better than Black Widow. It’s not middle or top Marvel, but not total trash. 4. I found almost none of the funny things/lines to be funny. Comedy was a total misfire in this movie. Again, it was OK. Shang-chi was much, much better. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/29 "2021-11-16T22:45:03Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > - Wait, the lead isn’t the Jon Snow actor? Kit Harrington has a minor role in this movie? I had no idea. I went in assuming Icarus _was_ Jon Snow. I was stunned when I realized they are not the same actor. No, Ikaris was played by Robb Stark. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/30 "2021-11-16T22:50:58Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > No, Ikaris was played by Robb Stark. Thank you. Everything just clicked for me. I think watching trailers and so forth, my mind could not process that Robb Stark is the actual “main guy” and Jon Snow is the “barely in this thing” guy. I knew I knew the lead actor, but it did not click for me he was Robb Stark. Very strange choices. I did see the post-credit scene and I get Kit Harrington apparently has a future in the Marvel movies(and that Robb Stark…does not), but I was still very confused. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/31 "2021-11-16T23:38:57Z")
I would have liked to see Ikaris somehow work to redeem himself in the future-wasted opportunity for a story arc IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/32 "2021-11-17T01:01:09Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I would have liked to see Ikaris somehow work to redeem himself in the future-wasted opportunity for a story arc IMHO This is one aspect of the movie that worked OK for me. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/33 "2021-11-17T03:45:39Z")
And now for a trivial issue. In one of the early flashback scenes (I think if was the Babylon one) I noticed that Gemma Chan was wearing pierced earrings. And they were modern looking earrings, not the kind of thing ancient Babylonians would wear. What was even more distracting was that once I had noticed her wearing them in this flashback scene, I noticed her also wearing them in the modern day scenes. So apparently Sensei has been wearing the same pair of earrings for five thousand years. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/34 "2021-11-17T22:09:19Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > And then Ikaris just up and kills himself in the end? Strange sort of resolution to that character arc. Sort of felt like they just ran out of ideas of what to do with him… You’re surprised that Ikaris died by flying too close to the Sun? You can’t escape nominative determinism, not in superhero movies. You might as well complain about how a man named Otto Octavius ended up with eight limbs. …also, we saw him burn, but we didn’t exactly see him die, did we? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/35 "2021-11-18T02:34:36Z")
He’s “Jason Todd” dead, not “Uncle Ben” dead. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/36 "2021-11-18T14:20:45Z")
What is “dead” may never die. There’s very few (notable) comic book characters who are still dead. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/37 "2021-11-18T15:41:44Z")
Not even Uncle Ben? 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/38 "2021-11-18T15:44:26Z")
The MCU has been a bit better with revivals. Best as I can tell, the only ones who died and came back were Bucky, Vision and Loki. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/39 "2021-11-18T15:53:52Z")
And Phil Coulson, in _Agents of SHIELD_, although the movies have ignored that series, and it eventually was officially split off into its own continuity. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-eternals-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-in-op/953871/40 "2021-11-18T16:36:32Z")
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