The Ethics of "My Octopus Teacher" [Possible Spoilers]

Simon’s Town is a part of Cape Town.

Oh, all the interactions we’ve had in the past around South Africa and where I’m from?

No, wait, don’t tell me, let me guess - “I don’t remember everyone I interact with on the Board”, right? Because we South Africans are a dime-a-dozen here…

But anyway - does it matter?

It is a sanctuary, even by your own standards. By which you seem to mean the kind of no-take area that is called a “marine reserve” in the profession. Which the My Octopus Garden filming location very much is.

Specifically, it’s the Paulsberg Reserve part of the TMNP MPA. There are two ways to tell this -
1 - you can very clearly see Paulsberg behind him when he’s going into the water and there’s only one stretch of the coast where you get that view; and
2 - You simply don’t get a lot of alikreukels of the size that octopus munches on, outside the no-take zones of the MPA.

Sure. If I point out that when looking at an ethical problem, we should take into account proportionality, and look at harm caused by a filmmaker letting one animal touch him, versus a fishery for that animal, then therefore, I must be calling for the wholesale slaughter of the species.

Right. Your logic is unassailable.

Jesus Christ On A Pogo Stick, talk about missing the point.

No I get it. I think what he did was fine because he didn’t cause any harm. You think it’s fine because it’s nothing compared to the annual octopus harvest.

No, you don’t get it.

Sorry to necropost, but I’ve been thinking about this documentary lately and came upon this thread. It doesn’t look as though any South Africans have cleared things up, so let’s see. First, the documentary seems to have been filmed in Simonstown near Boulder’s Beach. That is a part of Table Mountain National Park–the area where we have a guarded colony of endangered penguins, but there’s more to it that I’ll return to in a bit. First, I wanted to talk about the octopus not having any human predators in that area. That is very much untrue. The area is so rife with poaching that ecologists relocate octopuses if they come into a rock pool that’s too exposed to people. It is crucial that octopuses stay afraid of humans.

Back to the issue of national park territory. In South Africa, it’s not legal to approach wild animals, national park or no, especially in the ocean. If a wild animal approaches you, you are allowed to stay put, but not close the space between you. You DEFINITELY aren’t allowed to stalk and cuddle the wildlife. Even outside of national park terrain, we take our ecology very seriously. It’s a way of life for us, and the ethics are more than clear for all of us. You never, ever insert yourself into the life of a wild animal. We’re one of the only countries (if not the only country) with a dedicated eco court because poaching is such a massive problem here, on land and in the sea.

As a South African, I can tell you that most locals to the deep south (as I am and as the documentarian is) know perfectly well that we behave as though ethics are law. We have a bustling tourism industry, and we have to take every measure available to us to keep our animals undisturbed. Tourism is very stressful for our wild animals.

Two years ago, a few friends and I accidentally happened upon a rockpool full of octopus right on a tourist hotspot. Since poachers would have annihilated the lot of them, residents guarded those octopus for days until the shark spotters could decide what to do with them–they routinely move them to quieter pools if absolutely necessary to save their lives. We have national park staff on these beaches all the time. They observe to make sure fishermen return sharks to the water safely with minimal injury. There is a strong presence of parks workers throughout the area.

Every year, we have a couple of elephant seals here to molt. National Parks workers demarcate the area and make sure the seals leave safely with minimal invasion. Their beaches become largely unusable because they are given a very wide barrier. One such elephant seal recently got curious and headed into the suburb. That suburb was definitely not a national park, but the seal caused a traffic jam. Workers refused to clear the traffic jam because their priority was to move the seal as calmly as possible. It’s our culture, and it’s ingrained. Our municipalities grapple with our wild animals all the time. They have to because we have quite a few wild animals along a tourist route near national park land. What I’m trying to say is the boundaries between ethics and laws are very fuzzy here. Ethics SHOULD be treated as law when it comes to our natural heritage. We take it that seriously. .

If this documentary is unethical in any country at all, it would be South Africa.

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The area is so rife with poaching that ecologists relocate octopuses if they come into a rock pool that’s too exposed to people. It is crucial that octopuses stay afraid of humans.[/quote]

I’m South African, I live in Cape Town. I am not a diver, but I am a hiker. Judging by the mountains in the film I can easily identify the location. It is not a protected area. While I agree on protection of marine species, the speculation that octopuses are relocated is somewhat incredible. Our marine biological scientists just do not have that budget.

And octupi do not live long enough to care.

Our police focus on abalone and crayfish poaching, octopi are not really a target when there are larger value options.

Not all South Africans.

All of the Peninsula coast is a Marine Protected Area, as I said before in this thread. But anyway, Paulsberg is in the Restricted part of the MPA.

Note that outside the Restricted parts, anyone with a mollusc fishing licence can catch and kill octopus for their own use.

If this tourist spot was outside the restricted zone, any fisherman with a mollusc licence could have walked up to those pools and gaffed two a day and there would have been jack the residents could do about it.

There’s still many people who fish the Peninsula for subsistence, and a bunch of well-intentioned self-appointed ‘guardians’ have neither the legal nor moral right to prevent them where that is legal.

My error. Thank you for the correction, I was relying on badly remembered maps - which may have been either fishing or diving… I do neither.

Hey now, the people of Noordhoek get to have a hobby outside of horses, those that aren’t obsessed with leopard toads that is.

For me, a typical Cape Town hippie style guy… although in the past I have caught/bought and cooked or home-pickled octopus, that movie made me never eat octopus again.

So it made some tiny impact.

You are far from alone. It made a big impact.

So what happens to the males? They don’t have the stress of giving birth so how long do they live and how do they die?

Male octopuses senesce after reaching maturity, whether they mate or not. They will die fairly soon of old age (if they don’t get eaten - sometimes by the female after mating, from what I understand).

AIUI, senescence is built-in for octopuses, it’s mating that triggers it for females, not the stress per se. Apparently there are things you can do (optic gland removal) that will prevent or retard the senescence even after mating happens. This can double their lifespan.