The Evidence Against Religions

[Der_Trihs]

@cosmosdan

I edited incorrectly.

That was meant to read,
I’ve said repeatedly I think all belief systems should be tested with same standards.

You may say it, but you obviously don’t do it.

@cosmosdan

Despite all your ranting the existence of God or something as yet undiscovered and unexplained remains a possibility.

It’s about as “possible” as discovering that there’s no such thing as gravity and it’s all faked by a near-infinite number of invisible fairies pulling on all the matter in the universe in such a way as to simulate gravity. There’s just as much evidence for that as there is for God. In fact, it’s more plausible than God.

@cosmosdan

There are plenty of questions left unanswered by science.

And the answer to such questions is NEVER “God”.

[Jesse_Leigh]

@Cumberdale

What does being a doctor have to do with anything? Someone could be brilliant one field, like neurosurgery but be totally credulous when it comes to believing in nonsense like god, the Loch Ness Monster or that NASA faked the moon landings.

There are many brilliant people who do not know how to think skeptically.

Hello Cumberland!

Der Trihs believes science and all its branches rules out the possibility that GOD or any spirit being exists and calls those of us who believe otherwise ‘Delusional.’ My ‘Being a doctor’ would have nothing to do with the discussion we were having were I not thoroughly familiar with what a delusion is, and is not.

I’ve provided ample evidence in many post showing that believers are not delusional. (Well, some might be, but that would be for other reasons and not because they’re believers.) So, in stating my profession, my intent was to assert that my medical knowledge of what constitutes a delusion is sufficient to invalidate Der Trihs’ use of the word.

No comment on Nessie and said-to-be faked moon landings.

Jesse.

[Der_Trihs]

@Jesse_Leigh

I’ve provided ample evidence in many post showing that believers are not delusional.

You’ve done no such thing. If anything you’ve been making my case for me.

[Jesse_Leigh]

@Der_Trihs

You’ve done no such thing. If anything you’ve been making my case for me.

If that is your perpective, Der Trihs then you’re perfectly at liberty to believe what you want to. As you’re fond of pointing out, most people do.

Jesse.

[Der_Trihs]

@Jesse_Leigh

If that is your perpective, Der Trihs then you’re perfectly at liberty to believe what you want to. As you’re fond of pointing out, most people do.

The difference is, my belief in God’s nonexistence and in the absence of miracles fit the facts. Your beliefs don’t.

[Jesse_Leigh]

@Der_Trihs

The difference is, my belief in God’s nonexistence and in the absence of miracles fit the facts. Your beliefs don’t.

:rolleyes:

[Der_Trihs]

@Jesse_Leigh

:rolleyes:

Ah, a brilliant refutation.

[monavis]

@Jesse_Leigh

Greetings Der Trihs!

Since you declined, without reason, to answer the last direct question I put to you, perhaps you’ll be good enough to answer this one.

I just had someone tap you three times on your left shoulder. Prove to me that it happened, or in case you missed it, that it didn’t.

Jesse.

This seems like an absurdity to me. What are you trying to prove. Was DT in the room with some one else? Did you know it? Do you have super powers to have someone sneak in the room with Him and have them tap him on his shoulder?

I dispells any thing you are trying to prove and makes your argument seem like nonsense.

Monavis

[monavis]

@phrederik

well the game is over for me–hate to waste bandwidth you know–guess i brought the proverbial knife to a gun fight. i am curious though, for those waiting for proof of God–when it really is all around you if you take the time to look and use the gift of intelligent insight given to you by God–any theories what you’ll say to God when the proof is staring you in the face?

What is around you is not proof of ‘a’ God, just that somethings exist. You believe it is God, others do not, so to say it is proof (unless you mean God to be what exists) it rather undoes your argument. You were told or taught or read there was’a’God so your belief is in the persons or person who told you, not in God.

Monavis

[monavis]

[quote=“Jesse_Leigh, post:471, topic:478421”]

@Least_Original_User_Name_Ever

I’ve never “gone to witness a miracle” anywhere, anytime. I realize there have been reported cases of masses seeing a miracle, such as at FATIMA and like that, but I have not experienced that kind of phenomenon in my own life.

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Well, the prophet Ezekiel walked around naked, some people might call that crazy. I’ve been called crazy re: God-related subjects for thirty-five years. It goes with the territory when one is a missionary.

Who told you that YAHWEH has no ‘Cause’? YHWH has a definite Purpose and Plan.

Who told you that God is invisible? That’s patently untrue.

I’m not in the business of ‘Offereing up proof of God.’ YHWH Himself says, **“I am perceived by the things made.” ** Whether you believe that or not is a private matter between you and GOD.

I never promised YHWH to anyone. No human can. I can testify about God and Christ, but it will either be experiential or Bible-based, and neither one of these is considered valid on this forum.

I have a personal relationship with The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. However, since it is a personal relationship it won’t be of much use to you. You need to seek YHWH yourself, as 'Everyone seeking Him finds Him.’ God makes that promise, I don’t, but I’ve never seen it fail - ever.

God isn’t lost or far away and His Laws have been written on your heart by Him Personally. He isn’t difficult to find.

May God bless your journey toward Him.

Shalom Aleichem - Jesse.

If you were being honest you would say,“I ‘believe’ I have a personal relationship with the Father, Son ,and Holy spirit’”. It is not a fact, but a belief and there is a great difference between the two.

When you say “God made a promise” you are using what some human said God did and you believe that person. You cannot in all honesty say God’s Laws are written on your heart, for what is written on your heart is totally different than what is written on many others. Just as Muslims believe God personally dictated the Koran to Muhammed.

Monavis

[Fantome]

@cosmosdan

I repeat , the specific exchange between DT and I had just happened and was short posts so the length of the thread is irrelevant. If you didn’t know that that means you made no effort to find out exactly what conversation you were butting in on.

Der Trihs defended his beliefs and then you claimed he was using misdirection because you weren’t talking about those. He then named a bunch of others you might be talking about and you didn’t respond. I then asked you to point out which belief he has and you just keep claiming it’s obvious and refuse to answer, dragging this out like a child.

@cosmosdan

That was an explanation to you. I had responded to a specific post of DTs in this thread where he stated a belief. He chose to change the subject rather than stay on the specific belief. That’s his usual style. You chose to butt in on a conversation you evidently knew nothing about but still feel you can criticize my lack of effort. We’re done.

He didn’t change the subject; he asked which belief he was talking about and you refused to answer. I hope you really are done unless you’re just going to name the belief, but you claimed you were done earlier and continue to drag this out, so I’m guessing you’re still not.

[Clothahump]

@wsbenge

Religion is the attempt made by people to ascribe meaning to life, as well as suggest a reason for unexplained events.

Not so much. Religion is nothing more than a giant con game.

[Clothahump]

@Jesse_Leigh

Why? Can you provide PROOF that YHWH does not exist?

With respect, this is a debate forum. For information dial 411.

Smart-assedness is not a substitute for proof. You’re the one claiming that YHWH exists; all we are asking for you to do is to show proof of that existence. Should be an easy thing to do, what with you talking to him/her/it all the time, and all that.

[Hunter_Hawk]

…annnnd once again Jesse Leigh seems to have abandoned a thread without deigning to reply to questions I’ve asked. I’m starting to feel unloved

[Find_Friends]

@Hunter_Hawk

…annnnd once again Jesse Leigh seems to have abandoned a thread without deigning to reply to questions I’ve asked. I’m starting to feel unloved

You?! Just think how unloved Y— feels, what with not being consulted by Jesse Leigh over the best way to prove Divine Existence!

• “Jack”

[Pazu]

@Cumberdale

What does being a doctor have to do with anything? Someone could be brilliant one field, like neurosurgery but be totally credulous when it comes to believing in nonsense like god, the Loch Ness Monster or that NASA faked the moon landings.

There are many brilliant people who do not know how to think skeptically.

As you say. As a doctor myself, I’m acquainted with any number of colleagues who hold odd beliefs or flat-out delusions.

Now that you’re back, Jesse, I’d really be interested in your responses to my and Diogenes’s questions from the earlier thread (here’s a jumping-off point).