# The ex-felon vs the two drunk douchebags **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 15, 2011, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696 "2011-10-15T00:51:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/221 "2011-10-16T09:59:34Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > Really? You don’t think the 2 intoxicated angry women would be more likely to invade your home? Maybe the felon is just a bad guy and maybe this is the first crazy thing the women have done. Maybe. Or maybe being attacked on his own “turf” is the one thing that would trigger “prison reflexes”. Yeah, I’m thinking that, of things that might happen to me for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I’ll take a random bitchslap by a drunk cunt over a savage beatdown with a blunt instrument for setting off the wrong unhinged dude - who the fuck knows what else triggers his rage ? Bet your skull bones on it ? Just me, though. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/222 "2011-10-16T12:35:17Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Yeah, I’m thinking that, of things that might happen to me for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I’ll take a random bitchslap by a drunk cunt over a savage beatdown with a blunt instrument for setting off the wrong unhinged dude - who the fuck knows what else triggers his rage ? Bet your skull bones on it ? > > Just me, though. I think most people that work with the public would prefer living around a guy that “attacks” people for slapping them and jumping over the counter to go after him rather than people that attack somebody for checking to see if a 50 is counterfeit or not. I am pretty sure I can go through life without slapping and attacking some guy behind the counter, thereby avoiding a Royale with cheese. Checking a 50 to see if its real? Many folks have to do that on daily basis. And for that matter whose more unhinged? The guy or women? Have you ever wanted to attack somebody for checking a 50? If he had been a pacifist pussy maybe he’d be the one with serious bodily injury… ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/223 "2011-10-16T15:35:34Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Hmm. . . let’s think about this. A couple of harpies, one of whom slapped someone and both of whom would have hit someone, or a fellow who was convicted of shooting someone to death, and who continued to beat a couple of harpies after beating them into submission with a metal rod. Given the choice . . . . Yeah, I guess I see it differently. I saw two women that were willing to “cross the line” into an area with plenty of makeshift weapons including knives. Somehow, especially considering the claim they were intoxicated, it just seem like they might have picked up utensils themselves if they’d had the time. I think a bunch of us are extrapolating from insufficient data. But I can tell you I’ve seen “forted up” MacDonald’s in South Central and East LA. There’s a reason for that. Based on the report of this situation, IMO those women would be far more likely to invade your home based on real or imagined slight. Yes, the felon has killed someone. He’s also spent 10 years thinking about and paying for that mistake made at 19. These women clearly thought they were “entitled”. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/224 "2011-10-16T16:07:38Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > Yeah, I guess I see it differently. I saw two women that were willing to “cross the line” into an area with plenty of makeshift weapons including knives. Somehow, especially considering the claim they were intoxicated, it just seem like they might have picked up utensils themselves if they’d had the time. > > I think a bunch of us are extrapolating from insufficient data. > > But I can tell you I’ve seen “forted up” MacDonald’s in South Central and East LA. There’s a reason for that. > > Based on the report of this situation, IMO those women would be far more likely to invade your home based on real or imagined slight. Yes, the felon has killed someone. He’s also spent 10 years thinking about and paying for that mistake made at 19. These women clearly thought they were “entitled”. It should also be kept in mind that it was an accidental shooting. I’m not handwaving the fact that he actually had a gun and was pulling it. But it’s not as if he pointed the gun at someone and intentionally shot him. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/225 "2011-10-16T16:19:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > It should also be kept in mind that it was an accidental shooting. I’m not handwaving the fact that he actually had a gun and was pulling it. But it’s not as if he pointed the gun at someone and intentionally shot him. Even better. Now he’s an unhinged guy who gets so mad, he kills people he ain’t even trying to ! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/226 "2011-10-16T16:39:46Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > But I can tell you I’ve seen “forted up” MacDonald’s in South Central and East LA. There’s a reason for that. What does McDonalds do to fort up a restaurant? (Not counting McDonalds Playlands :D) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/227 "2011-10-16T16:48:12Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > It should also be kept in mind that it was an accidental shooting. I’m not handwaving the fact that he actually had a gun and was pulling it. But it’s not as if he pointed the gun at someone and intentionally shot him. > **[McDonald's Cashier Seen Beating Female Patrons With Metal Rod In Harrowing Video](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/mcdonalds/mcdonalds-beating-video-075836)** > > 10/17 UPDATE: McDonald's beating suspect seen in prison photo > In a scary confrontation filmed by a diner, a cashier at a McDonald’s in Manhattan can be seen beating two female customers with a meta > [@](#): > > McIntosh, who is being held in lieu of $40,000 bail, pleaded guilty in May 2001 to fatally shooting a 17-year-old friend outside a Westchester mall (McIntosh’s plea came after a jury deadlocked on murder and manslaughter charges). During his trial, McIntosh testified that he accidentally fired his .380-caliber handgun as he removed the weapon from the waistband of his pants. Along with piercing the aorta of high school student O’shan Litchmore, the bullet struck an eight-year-old boy in the thigh. > > McIntosh, who was 19 at the time of the January 2000 shooting, told jurors he reached for his gun while walking to a parking lot where he planned to confront a group of teenagers with whom he had earlier had a confrontation in the mall’s food court. And through the McDonalds video we have seen how he handles confrontation. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/228 "2011-10-16T16:54:51Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > What does McDonalds do to fort up a restaurant? (Not counting McDonalds Playlands :D) Heavy plexiglass sheeting counter to ceiling that prevents any possible contact between staff and customer. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/229 "2011-10-16T16:58:11Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/230 "2011-10-16T17:27:00Z")
While not rolling around in the slop with glee like a sow in the pen, I have zero sympathy for the women. When engaging as the agressor, one ought be damn sure you can handle your business. They sized up the situation incorrectly and ran in to a shitstorm. Thus endeth the lesson. As for who I’d rather live in a neighborhood with? The guy in a heartbeat. I’m not offended by checking the authenticity of my currency. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/231 "2011-10-16T17:33:50Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > As for who I’d rather live in a neighborhood with? The guy in a heartbeat. I’m not offended by checking the authenticity of my currency. Okay, mail it to me and I’ll mail back all that pass the test. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/232 "2011-10-16T17:39:15Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Okay, mail it to me and I’ll mail back all that pass the test. > > 😃 Excfellent.. do you do Franklin’s too? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/233 "2011-10-16T18:07:12Z")
[quote=“The\_Conqueror\_Worm, post:207, topic:599696”] I’m more capable drunk than I am sober. > [@Muffin](#): > > How sad. +1 ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/234 "2011-10-16T18:58:01Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > When engaging as the agressor, one ought be damn sure you can handle your business. They sized up the situation incorrectly and ran in to a shitstorm. Thus endeth the lesson. Great username/ post combo there 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/235 "2011-10-16T19:28:53Z")
> [@The\_Conqueror\_Worm](#): > > Yew makes a terrific bow (as in archery) and balsa is very nifty for carving or delicate work. Sorry, but another of my weird hobbies is primitive skills. I’ve made more than a few bows. > > Perhaps traditionally people used whatever wood was at hand for walking canes, but I rather doubt that granny was using a balsa wood cane. > > This is entertaining, please try again and continue. No one could ever break a stick made out of hardwood over their knee. [Impossible](http://photos.signonsandiego.com/cammy/bat_break). ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/236 "2011-10-16T19:39:17Z")
> [@The\_Conqueror\_Worm](#): > > Once more, what is the topic of this thread? I think it’s to see whether you can set some sort of post count in a thread record or something. The Conqueror Worm show. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/237 "2011-10-17T03:05:16Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > As for who I’d rather live in a neighborhood with? The guy in a heartbeat. Absolutely. I’d a lot rather live next to the guy who finishes shit other people start than the ones who start shit. I don’t fuck with him, we don’t have any issues. Those women, there’s going to be issues. Lots of issues. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/238 "2011-10-17T03:16:58Z")
> [@CrazyCatLady](#): > > Absolutely. I’d a lot rather live next to the guy who finishes shit other people start than the ones who start shit. I don’t fuck with him, we don’t have any issues. Those women, there’s going to be issues. Lots of issues. Same here. Not even a question. I’ll rather take the cashier as a neighbor any day. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/239 "2011-10-17T05:43:47Z")
> [@CrazyCatLady](#): > > I don’t fuck with him, we don’t have any issues. The problem is that what you and him file under “fucking with him” might be vastly different. And both this incident and the one that got him in jail suggest that he has no idea what “proportionate response” might conceivably mean. That doesn’t make him tough, that makes him a mad dog. ---
**Author:** ![Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swords_to_Plowshares)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696/240 "2011-10-17T05:52:27Z")
It’s a shame he was an ex-con, so he couldn’t get a concealed carry license. Then his response could have been correctly proportional.\* \*yes, that was sarcasm [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ex-felon-vs-the-two-drunk-douchebags/599696.md?page=13)