# The Extreme Right Obama Hate is Flat Out Nuts **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 16, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312 "2009-04-16T18:45:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/81 "2009-04-17T13:03:14Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > viscous abuses like Abu Grahib. Yes, that was a sticky situation. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/82 "2009-04-17T13:19:36Z")
VICIOUS, people! VICIOUS! Viscous is used in reference to the flowability(?) of a liquid. Vicious is used in reference to rabid dogs and Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/83 "2009-04-17T13:22:51Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > See, I don’t get the connection. Bush, maybe; with the war and internal spying and off-shore prison camps, I could see how an imaginative person might draw a comparison, but Obama? C’mon, people! There has to be SOMETHING to work from or reasonable people will recognize that you are crazy. Go back to using his hippie friends. Or his drug use. Something with some meat. Obama is a librul. Libruls are evil. Hitler was evil. Therefore, Obama=Hitler. Simple reflexive property. Damned libruls - don’t even understand basic math. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![flonks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3ab097/32.png) [@flonks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flonks)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/84 "2009-04-17T13:27:44Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Obama is a librul. Libruls are evil. Hitler was evil. > > Therefore, Obama=Hitler. > > Simple reflexive property. Damned libruls - don’t even understand basic math. > > -Joe I do understand humor, but I fear that not everybody understands it, so let’s add: My soccer ball is round. round things roll. My car rolls. Simple reflexive property, My soccer ball = My car 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/85 "2009-04-17T13:51:23Z")
> [@](#): > > VICIOUS, people! VICIOUS! > > Viscous is used in reference to the flowability(?) of a liquid. Vicious is used in reference to rabid dogs and Republicans. I’ll admit it looked suspicious to me when I wrote it. But spell check told me I was okay so I went with it. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/86 "2009-04-17T14:02:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I see what you mean, they’re all the same, really, just your political persuasion that makes them appear different! GeeDubya lied us into a futile and senseless war, and sullied our reputation for years to come, and Obama bought a puppy! Of course you liberal hippies miss the point. The unnecessary purchase of a puppy increases the National Debt and the money would have much better been spent in Defense or at least some big corporation. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/87 "2009-04-17T14:08:57Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The right has a long way to go before it reaches the level of hate the left has been displaying. > > Let me know when someone at a right-wing protest […] > > Or make posters with a wanted photo of Obama and the caption [Serial Killer](http://www.nationalreview.com/images/SubtleAntiBushSign.jpg). That would be a fair question if Obama had signed a bunch of death sentences or started a war which caused thousands upon thousands of civilians to be killed. I am not aware Obama has done any of this yet. Or am I missing something? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/88 "2009-04-17T14:13:07Z")
> [@flonks](#): > > I do understand humor, but I fear that not everybody understands it, so let’s add: > > My soccer ball is round. round things roll. My car rolls. > > Simple reflexive property, My soccer ball = My car > > 😃 Well, if we’re going to go with “humor” we may as well go with a joke that’s older than pretty much everyone reading this: God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Ray Charles is God. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/89 "2009-04-17T14:13:36Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Unfortunately, I was unable to find any mention of unpleasant avowed anti-Semites in that article. Can you point it, please? It was mentioned in a previous paragraph to the one quoted. In addition to this [Todd Gitlin](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2002/06/rough-beast-returns) addresses the issue rather comprehensively, and his antiwar bona fides aren’t in much doubt. In any case, the fact that the protesters were more politically radical than the population at large, even those at sympathy with that issue, cannot be denied - indeed, Michael Lerner, David Corn and Gitlin in these articles and others decried this fact and wished for protests that were more representative, inclusive and most of all persuasive. I think this point could be made of these protests as well, though they seem at first glance to have been organized more from the grassroots. Indeed many of them were openly critical of Republicans - including some elected ones present. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/90 "2009-04-17T14:28:39Z")
> [@Dob](#): > > I wonder if Hitler (providing their is an afterlife) ever gets pissed at all the times someone compares him to another. He does, he does. Every Godwinization means another pineapple. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/91 "2009-04-17T14:30:06Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > The antiwar protests generally included their share of unpleasant avowed anti-Semites . . . N.B.: Anti-Israeli != anti-semitic. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/92 "2009-04-17T14:32:25Z")
> [@Anduril](#): > > Political speech in this vein is not entirely new. What’s new is the hero worship that Obama gets despite his naivete and limited competence. In other words, **The Extreme Left Obama Hero Worship is Flat Out Nuts** would be a much more interesting topic to discuss. :dubious: So? Start your own thread. But it would belong in the Pit, not GD. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/93 "2009-04-17T14:53:24Z")
> [@IdahoMauleMan](#): > > Here’s a link from the CSM that says the Chicago Tea Party refused an invitation from GOP Chairman Steele to speak. > > [Tea Party protests: Could they rally change in government? - CSMonitor.com](http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/04/16/tea-party-protests-could-they-rally-change-in-government/) > > Sam… in any case, you are missing the point. It doesn’t matter whether the GOP, the Libertarians, or the Mennonites are behind these Tea Parties. > > These people want the government to take less of their money. Clearly, that is the stuff of wacko right-wing nutjobs. The official organization behind them is irrelevant. How can it be about **that?!** Practically all of the people attending these rallies are getting tax cuts. And, for some reason, [they don’t like being reminded of that.](http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x297722) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/94 "2009-04-17T15:04:47Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > though they seem at first glance to have been organized more from the grassroots. Indeed many of them were openly critical of Republicans - including some elected ones present. It was organized by Fox News and right wing media. It was a staged, media created stunt, sponsored and promoted by the mainstream of the party. Is the Governor of Texas outside the mainstream of the party? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/95 "2009-04-17T15:04:47Z")
> [@Ocean\_Annie](#): > > I am confused by the labels. I don’t even know what to call myself anymore. My left was close to the center not long ago, too bad I never experienced it. Then again, lately, I find myself moving further to the left. When you think about it, the radical left is anyone who favors progressive taxes and facts, so I figure why not just move all the way over to comrade. Or you could just move as far as [“progressive”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=496350) (defining same as something well to the right of “socialist” and well to the left of “liberal”). ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/96 "2009-04-17T15:06:35Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > N.B.: Anti-Israeli != anti-semitic. Already answered, and while nobody would say anti-Semitism was a driving force behind these rallies, nobody would be surprised by the occasional anti-Semitic comment or placard or gesture at them. And yes, I do mean anti-Semitic. I know the difference - whereas I think some on this board might not, and might excuse blatant anti-Semitism if it were uttered in the context of the pro-Palestinian cause. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/97 "2009-04-17T15:07:42Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > See, I don’t get the connection. Bush, maybe; with the war and internal spying and off-shore prison camps, I could see how an imaginative person might draw a comparison, but Obama? C’mon, people! There has to be SOMETHING to work from or reasonable people will recognize that you are crazy. Go back to using his hippie friends. Or his drug use. Something with some meat. Well, on other boards I’ve seen comparisons between his civilian service corp idea and the Brownshirts. (The assumption is that such volunteering (1) will be made compulsory and (2) will involve indoctrination.) And his demanding seats on the boards of corporations the Admin bails out obviously is “fascism,” because fascism includes government-controlled capitalism. (But so does socialism, and so does mere capitalist-friendly [dirigisme,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirigisme) and we ain’t anywhere near **there** yet.) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/98 "2009-04-17T15:12:37Z")
The war protests were not infested with any antisemitic themes that I ever saw, and I can guarantee that the majority of protesters would have a had a problem with anyone carrying antisemitic signs. I’m calling bullshit on that. There was certainly no visible _prevalence_ of it, and it wasn’t a theme that was supported and promoted by mainstream media outlets and elected officials. I’m done addressing that particular _tu quoque_. All it indicates is that you can’t defend the teabaggers, so you’re trying to change the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/99 "2009-04-17T15:21:37Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > While I’m sure that some genuine anti-semites showed up somewhere sometime at anti-war protests, this particular meme is based on painting anyone critical of Israel as antisemitic. Funnily enough I was reading some of the old anti-war threads from 2002-03 yesterday and in one I mention a number of “off-message” groups who took part in the big London march, including a small but visible pro-Palestine contingent. I’d guess that they qualify as both anti-Israel and anti-Semitic, although they were hardly a statistically significant presence. The CND and pro-Kurd groups were there and visible too, as well as the “partygoer” crowd (college kids having a day out), people in funny costumes, signwavers, nuns, Buddhist monks, families, a few recognizable politicians, and a lot of other general horked-off people. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/100 "2009-04-17T15:30:27Z")
I’ll admit that a lot of the anti-Iraq War protests were unfocused, and were prone to be a general conglomeration of people with a variety of anti-Bush grievances, along with kids that were in it for a party. They were NOT infested with antisemites, though, and they sure as hell weren’t LED by them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312.md?page=6)