# The Extreme Right Obama Hate is Flat Out Nuts **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 16, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312 "2009-04-16T18:45:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/121 "2009-04-19T01:54:05Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > It’s all a matter of perception. I think the majority opinion for the teabag protesters was against the liberal actions of the Obama administration, not just taxation policy. > > I must hand it to the libs, it takes a lot to awaken the Silent Majority but in three short months the Obama administration has motivated them to become politically active again. Even if it does mean the DHS will be watching 😃 > > Should this level of awareness ride through the mid-term elections, I think it bodes an ill wind for the current administration. The teabaggers are hardly a majority (as evidenced by their anemic turnout, not to mention the ass-kicking they took in November), and they’ve sure as hell never been silent. The teabaggers were not newly active individuals, by the way. They were the exact same tards we saw screaming “kill him” at Palin rallies. This was not any kind of new movement. It was just a tantrum by the losers of the last election. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/122 "2009-04-19T02:13:13Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > It’s all a matter of perception. I think the majority opinion for the teabag protesters was against the liberal actions of the Obama administration, not just taxation policy. What “liberal actions” ? Letting torturers walk ? Sucking up to the homophobes even before he was in office ? Obama’s no liberal; he’s a moderate conservative, as opposed to the outright lunatic conservatives in the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/123 "2009-04-19T02:18:32Z")
It’s odd that there were so few teabag protests against the liberal actions of the George W. Bush administration, though… ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/124 "2009-04-19T02:48:51Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Funny how anyone that doesn’t kiss the ground Obama walks on is suddenly labeled a Right Wing Nutjob/Extremist. Oh, fucking come on. There are people calling him a fascist and a communist simultaneously, as well as plenty of other ridiculous statements. And nobody kisses the ground he walks on. Nice strawmen, though. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/125 "2009-04-19T03:41:03Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The teabaggers are hardly a majority (as evidenced by their anemic turnout, not to mention the ass-kicking they took in November), and they’ve sure as hell never been silent. > > The teabaggers were not newly active individuals, by the way. They were the exact same tards we saw screaming “kill him” at Palin rallies. This was not any kind of new movement. It was just a tantrum by the losers of the last election. I never said they were a majority. I simply stated that the opinion of the larger % of the demonstrators… As for your “kill him” reference - IMHO, if that ever happened, it was from the mouth of a dem plant. Frankly, I’m glad you don’t think there are new people involved in the political process. The people that were there know better, and that’s all that really matters. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/126 "2009-04-19T03:42:38Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > As for your “kill him” reference - IMHO, if that ever happened, it was from the mouth of a dem plant. There’s no reason to think so; that’s a pretty common sentiment from the Right. Clinton got that a lot to. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/127 "2009-04-19T05:47:00Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > I never said they were a majority. I simply stated that the opinion of the larger % of the demonstrators… You said “Silent Majority.” The teabaggers are neither. They are minority of whiny losers. > [@](#): > > As for your “kill him” reference - IMHO, if that ever happened, it was from the mouth of a dem plant. Yeah, right. > [@](#): > > Frankly, I’m glad you don’t think there are new people involved in the political process. The people that were there know better, and that’s all that really matters. Opinion polls do not support assertions of any newly active people. What percentage of people at the teabaggings (children excluded) do you believe either voted for Obama in November or did not vote at all? Can you show any empirical support at all for your contention that any significant number of teabaggers (let’s say more than 5%) had never been engaged in politics before (or had changed from pro-Obama to anti)? You can’t because this event (as flaccid as it turned out to be), did not come from the ground up, but was organized, coordinated, promoted and sponsored by conservative media outlets. It was a fan event. The people who went were fans, just like people who go to Sci Fi conventions or jazz festivals. These were not newbies. ---
**Author:** ![MeDrewNotYou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@MeDrewNotYou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeDrewNotYou)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/128 "2009-04-19T11:46:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > \ > You can’t because this event (as flaccid as it turned out to be), did not come from the ground up, but was organized, coordinated, promoted and sponsored by conservative media outlets. It was a fan event. The people who went were fans, just like people who go to Sci Fi conventions or jazz festivals. These were not newbies. Dio, no offense, but you’re a jerk. We jazz festival attendees are _ **nothing** _ like the teabaggers. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phatlewt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a698b9/32.png) [@Phatlewt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phatlewt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/129 "2009-04-19T12:37:39Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > I must hand it to the libs, it takes a lot to awaken the Silent Majority but in three short months the Obama administration has motivated them to become politically active again. Limbaugh, Malkin, Hannity, O’Reilly, Beck, K-Lo, Coulter, Brietbart, and Savage have finally stirred from their slumber. 😛 In a sense, there is some truth that conservatism has awakened in the GOP, though. In three short months, American conservatives have rediscovered fiscal discipline and limits on executive power. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/130 "2009-04-19T13:00:49Z")
> [@Phatlewt](#): > > Limbaugh, Malkin, Hannity, O’Reilly, Beck, K-Lo, Coulter, Brietbart, and Savage have finally stirred from their slumber. 😛 > > In a sense, there is some truth that conservatism has awakened in the GOP, though. In three short months, American conservatives have rediscovered fiscal discipline and limits on executive power. Actually, I think you’ll find that this had little to do with the GOP. They were just as much of a target or the ire as the current administration. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/131 "2009-04-19T13:13:20Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The right has a long way to go before it reaches the level of hate the left has been displaying. > > Let me know when someone at a right-wing protest [throws a molotov cocktail](http://www.zombietime.com/world_cant_wait_sf_11-2-2005/part_3/IMG_3552.JPG) at the cops. > > Or when they burn an effigy of Obama, then [piss on it](http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://i.pbase.com/u11/carcinomad/upload/42736099.pisser.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pbase.com/carcinomad/image/42736099&usg=__hoElaCG7Tra9Fp89Ss46_A4SwTU=&h=398&w=600&sz=292&hl=en&start=55&um=1&tbnid=ol6eyGdh51K9tM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbush%2Beffigy%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26start%3D40%26um%3D1) to put the fire out. > > Or make posters with a wanted photo of Obama and the caption [Serial Killer](http://www.nationalreview.com/images/SubtleAntiBushSign.jpg). > > Or wear black masks and [smash windows](http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2008/09/02/democrats_protest_antiwar.jpg) > > And of course, many of the left-wing protests were organized by groups like [International ANSWER](http://answer.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ANS_homepage), which is a Marxist revolutionary organization closely affiliated with the [Worker’s World Party](http://www.workers.org/) and [FIST](http://fistyouth.wordpress.com/), or ‘Fight Imperialism Stand Together’. And of course, you can’t go to a left-wing rally without seeing the ubiquitous pictures of Che Guevera all over the place - a symbol of violent revolution. > > FIST and Worker’s World overtly call for ‘violent revolution’ and describe their movement as a ‘people’s war’. The difference IMO is the timing. Obama just got into office and the panic button is being pressed. I know there’s loonies on both sides. I gave Bush a chance and figured , like most presidents, he’d do some good things and some bad. {based on my perspective} When he used a national tragedy mixed with a shit load of lies to start another war that kinda pushed me over the edge. Obama has barely gotten started and the fires of fear, anger, and outright hatred seem to be purposely being fanned and encouraged. Where does it go from here? ---
**Author:** ![hobscrk777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@hobscrk777](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hobscrk777)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/132 "2009-04-19T14:24:29Z")
> [@Phatlewt](#): > > Limbaugh, Malkin, Hannity, O’Reilly, Beck, K-Lo, Coulter, Brietbart, and Savage have finally stirred from their slumber. 😛 > > In a sense, there is some truth that conservatism has awakened in the GOP, though. In three short months, American conservatives have rediscovered fiscal discipline and limits on executive power. This raises an interesting question in my mind (although it is one I don’t wish to test). What if the economy fails to recover quickly enough and Obama loses the 2012 election to the GOP. Will the GOP then act on these “new-found” ideals of fiscal discipline and limits on executive power, or will they return to the Bush-era tactics? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/133 "2009-04-19T14:34:19Z")
> [@hobscrk777](#): > > This raises an interesting question in my mind (although it is one I don’t wish to test). What if the economy fails to recover quickly enough and Obama loses the 2012 election to the GOP. Will the GOP then act on these “new-found” ideals of fiscal discipline and limits on executive power, or will they return to the Bush-era tactics? Definately the latter. Or worse than Bush; after all, Bush got away with it all unpunished. ---
**Author:** ![flonks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3ab097/32.png) [@flonks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flonks)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/134 "2009-04-19T14:36:06Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Definately the latter. Or worse than Bush; after all, Bush got away with it all unpunished. Shhhh … it was necessary, else the terrorists would have won. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/135 "2009-04-19T15:29:30Z")
> [@hobscrk777](#): > > This raises an interesting question in my mind (although it is one I don’t wish to test). What if the economy fails to recover quickly enough and Obama loses the 2012 election to the GOP. Will the GOP then act on these “new-found” ideals of fiscal discipline and limits on executive power, or will they return to the Bush-era tactics? first, I don’t believe there’s a chance in Hell Obama will lose the 2012 election, based upon the utter disarray of the GOP at the moment. This could obviously change, but it doesn’t look good for them at all now. Second, in my opinion, the GOP has lost any claim to fiscal discipline and, I will go so far to contend, they never really had it in the first place, and certainly not within the last 30 years. The fiscalist cry was simply an effective weapon with which to bludgeon the Democrats. Repeat a claim enough bla, bla, bla… you know the mantra. We have ample evidence what the Republicans do fiscally when in power. As far as the tea party participants, as someone alluded earlier, in large measure, these were the same racist, homophobic, xenophobic, factually impaired (and proudly so) folks who were the face of the McCain/Palin rallies. They have not, and will not, get over that we have a black president, and are absolutely consumed with being outraged at every breath Obama takes. It doesn’t matter to GOP true believers what Obama actually does. He’s black, and so must fail, at all costs. “This is not the America I used to know” is not just a platitude to the faithful. If Obama’s plans ultimately achieve success, as it seems they may, and the economy pulls out of its tailspin in the next 6 to 12 months, even if the rabid, hate-filled conservative hoards benefit, as it seems they will, Obama will not only not be credited, he will be castigated for handling the recovery poorly and delaying its progress, along with any other minutiae they can blow out of proportion to tar him with. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/136 "2009-04-19T16:34:59Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Actually, I think you’ll find that this had little to do with the GOP. They were just as much of a target or the ire as the current administration. That’s not even close to true. I didn’t see a single sign expressing any emotion at all towards previous administrations, apart from the one guy who apparently hated all politicians. Everyone who was there (although there were also some piss-takers, like the “I shaved my balls for this?!” guy) was there because they uncritically swallowed Fox’s bullshit about how Obama will raise your taxes and take your guns and make illegal immigrants gay marry your children. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/137 "2009-04-19T17:55:14Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > first, I don’t believe there’s a chance in Hell Obama will lose the 2012 election, based upon the utter disarray of the GOP at the moment. This could obviously change, but it doesn’t look good for them at all now. Second, in my opinion, the GOP has lost any claim to fiscal discipline and, I will go so far to contend, they never really had it in the first place, and certainly not within the last 30 years. The fiscalist cry was simply an effective weapon with which to bludgeon the Democrats. Repeat a claim enough bla, bla, bla… you know the mantra. We have ample evidence what the Republicans do fiscally when in power. Doesn’t matter. After everything that happened, they still whine about “tax and spend” Democrats. How many teabagger signs said “Obama is just as bad as Dubya”? It doesn’t matter whether or not it’s a fact, because it’s TRUE. TRUTH overcomes facts in their eyes. Numbers lie - if they’re the wrong numbers. And on the off chance someone does accurately defame Junior Ronny Dubya, the correct response will be, “Sure, but the libruls would have been worse”. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Ocean\_Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8797f3/32.png) [@Ocean\_Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ocean_Annie)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/138 "2009-04-19T21:57:00Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > It’s all a matter of perception. I think the majority opinion for the teabag protesters was against the liberal actions of the Obama administration, not just taxation policy. > > I must hand it to the libs, it takes a lot to awaken the Silent Majority but in three short months the Obama administration has motivated them to become politically active again. Even if it does mean the DHS will be watching 😃 It only took a few political operatives, a PR firm, corporate funding, and a media blitz to convince people to protest a nonexistent tax policy. I found the entire staged protest a little creepy. When commercialization becomes part of the democratic process and deceives the public this effectively, it should be a concern for everyone. People were willing to protest an issue that didn’t exist. Some participants must have decided it looked a little nutty to protest nonexistent tax increases and tried to change the reason for the protest, but it’s hard to claim the protest wasn’t about taxes when it was called the Boston Tea Party or tea parties and took place on April 15. Participants had teabags on their shirts or dangling from hats and signs ridiculing Obama’s oppressive taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/139 "2009-04-19T22:26:55Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > That’s not even close to true. I didn’t see a single sign expressing any emotion at all towards previous administrations, apart from the one guy who apparently hated all politicians. Everyone who was there (although there were also some piss-takers, like the “I shaved my balls for this?!” guy) was there because they uncritically swallowed Fox’s bullshit about how Obama will raise your taxes and take your guns and make illegal immigrants gay marry your children. You didn’t see it because the media chose not to show it. There’s an enlightening clip floating around youtube of a CNN reporter who actually engaged in a heated argument with the craziest guy she could find. Then the cameras went off, but some other people videotaped the aftermath, in which she was asked why she singled that guy out. She said it was ‘newsworthy’, to which the questioner said, “And you don’t think THAT sign might have been newsworthy?” - and point to a guy standing about ten feet away with an anti-Bush sign. Look at this video: [CNN Video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2baxw_YScxc&feature=related). This was a ‘tea party’ process. At the :39 mark, you can see a large sign which says, “Republicans Suck Too!”. A person being interviewed has a sign which says, “ALL politicians are the same.” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312/140 "2009-04-19T22:37:26Z")
Why didn’t Fox News show all those anti-Bush signs? Are they part of the evil librul media too? It’s contradictory, by the way, that you’re citing CNN footage to assert that CNN was hiding something. One more question --is the Governor of Texas part of the mainstream or just one of the crazies? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-extreme-right-obama-hate-is-flat-out-nuts/493312.md?page=8)