# The Fallen Blogger and the Spectre of Secularism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2015, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827 "2015-02-28T03:21:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/321 "2015-04-20T18:59:29Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > I have no idea what any of this fucking means. It’s clear that English is not your first language and I’m sorry but it’s not doing too well as your second one either. It’s plenty clear to me. > [@](#): > > The U.S. intervened to protect Bosnian Muslims from the Serbs twice. The same leftists who are in a marriage of convenience with Islamism Nope. I have no love for Islamism. In fact, I’m pretty much overjoyed that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt fell flat on its face after it pushed its way into political power, and have no sympathy for its currently-imprisoned members. You apparently can’t tell the difference between Islam and Islamism, that’s all. > [@](#): > > now were decrying it and apologizing for the Serbian genocide-mongers. Noam Chomsky still denies the Bosnian genocide even happened and he’s not the only one. He’s in such esteemed Bosnian-genocide-denying company as Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. Who, in what I’m sure is just _pure coincidence_, really hate Muslims. > [@](#): > > Not everyone is permanently on some “team” where they can’t see the differences between different types of Muslims in different times and places. And the ones who can’t are mostly on your side. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/322 "2015-04-20T22:14:53Z")
Looks like another cohort of Islamophobes has been successfully toleranced. [http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/20/us-mideast-crisis-islamicstate-killings-idUSKBN0NA0IE20150420](http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/20/us-mideast-crisis-islamicstate-killings-idUSKBN0NA0IE20150420) ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/323 "2015-04-20T22:52:27Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Looks like another cohort of Islamophobes has been successfully toleranced. [http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/20/us-mideast-crisis-islamicstate-killings-idUSKBN0NA0IE20150420](http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/20/us-mideast-crisis-islamicstate-killings-idUSKBN0NA0IE20150420) > [@](#): > > Militants professing loyalty to Islamic State have claimed several attacks on foreigners in Libya this year, including an assault on the Corinthia Hotel in Tripoli and the beheading of 21 Egyptian Christians in February. > > The killing of the Egyptians prompted Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi to order air strikes on Islamic State targets in Libya. But hey, why let pesky little things like facts or reality get in the way of your bigotry and hate. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/324 "2015-04-20T22:57:21Z")
What, so these anti-Islamophobia activists DIDN’T create a safe space from fifteen bigots? What exactly are you being a denialist about? ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/325 "2015-04-20T22:58:49Z")
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**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/326 "2015-04-20T23:06:54Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > What, so these anti-Islamophobia activists DIDN’T create a safe space from fifteen bigots? What exactly are you being a denialist about? Why is it that the Muslim president of the Muslim nation of Egypt launched military strikes on the Islamic State after 21 Christians were murdered by the Islamic State, Haberdash? ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/327 "2015-04-20T23:20:38Z")
The only one here who thinks that “all Muslims” are a certain way is those who think all Muslims are saints. The fact that the current military dictator of Egypt is acting in exactly the way that the 60-year clash between the secular ethnofascist Nasserites and the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt mandates he acts towards a group like ISIS doesn’t change anything about the fact that there is too much violence against non-Muslim opinions in the Muslim world, and too many people who refuse to address the problem in the name of avoiding “Islamophobia.” ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/328 "2015-04-20T23:34:40Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > The only one here who thinks that “all Muslims” are a certain way is those who think all Muslims are saints. Funny, thinking all Muslims are saints doesn’t seem to describe truthSeeker2 and Stringbean. You seem to be mistaken as to just who thinks that “all Muslims” are a certain way in this thread. > [@](#): > > The fact that the current military dictator of Egypt is acting in exactly the way that the 60-year clash between the secular ethnofascist Nasserites and the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt mandates he acts towards a group like ISIS Jordan’s airstrikes against Daesh, then? The Kurdish and Iraqi ground assaults against them? The fact that the primary victims of, and the main fighters against, violent Islamic extremism are _other Muslims?_ > [@](#): > > doesn’t change anything about the fact that there is too much violence against non-Muslim opinions in the Muslim world, and too many people who refuse to address the problem in the name of avoiding “Islamophobia.” And how does posting an endless sarcastic litany of whatever violent thing you can find in the news that a Muslim has done while being literally pig-ignorant about such basics regarding Islam as what the Qur’an says “address[ing] the problem”? How do you feel about, say, the Islamophobes who murdered over a thousand Muslims in Gujarat, then elected one of the instigators to lead India? Or the Islamophobes who deny the Bosnian massacres and then get invited repeatedly onto Fox News to talk, like you do, about the terrible threat posed by those vicious Muslims? ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/329 "2015-04-21T08:23:47Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > The fact that the primary victims of, and the main fighters against, violent Islamic extremism are _other Muslims?_ The fact that whether the victims are Muslim or not, your reaction is to point at their bloody corpses and chide them for “punching down.” > [@](#): > > And how does posting an endless sarcastic litany of whatever violent thing you can find in the news that a Muslim has done while being literally pig-ignorant You realize that a substantial number of Muslims in the world would murder you simply for typing the word “pig”? ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/330 "2015-04-21T08:25:35Z")
Hamas-affiliated CAIR complains about the government trying to provide non-murder-related activities for Muslims in the U.S.; evil Islamophobes arrest six aspiring tolerance-brigaders. > **[FBI arrests six Somali-Americans as Minnesota struggles to stem terror...](https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2015/0420/FBI-arrests-six-Somali-Americans-as-Minnesota-struggles-to-stem-terror-recruiting)** > > As authorities arrest six young men in Minneapolis and San Diego for allegedly planning to travel to Syria to join the Islamic State, local leaders attempt to address the root causes of radicalization. ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/331 "2015-04-21T11:08:28Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > The fact that whether the victims are Muslim or not, your reaction is to point at their bloody corpses and chide them for “punching down.” No, \* my \* reaction is to point out your bullshit. You’re the one dancing on the bodies of the dead so you can celebrate your hate. > [@](#): > > You realize that a substantial number of Muslims in the world would murder you simply for typing the word “pig”? :rolleyes: You realize that everyone can see what a laughably pathetic dodge that was? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/332 "2015-04-21T12:24:42Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > You realize that everyone can see what a laughably pathetic dodge that was? Probably not (strange idea even as a hate-filled lie, my children learn the word in school…) if you look at his mentally ill rantings in the thread about the US politician hillary clinton and the bizarre distortions of his responses to anyone not agreeing with his views it is clear he is a troll - although I think also genuinely a mentally ill person. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/333 "2015-04-21T12:25:49Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Probably not (strange idea even as a hate-filled lie, my children learn the word in school…) if you look at his mentally ill rantings in the thread about the US politician hillary clinton and the bizarre distortions of his responses to anyone not agreeing with his views it is clear he is a troll - although I think also genuinely a mentally ill person. You didn’t answer my question before – if I am mentally ill, then when should I schedule the removal of my [djinn](http://www.livescience.com/47394-supernatural-jinn-mental-illness-islam.html)? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/334 "2015-04-21T12:27:28Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > He’s in such esteemed Bosnian-genocide-denying company as Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. Who, in what I’m sure is just _pure coincidence_, really hate Muslims. It is the selective reading. Chomsky is otherwise hateful to his politics, but he can agree with an extreme left conspiracy theorist if it is in coincidence with his hatreds and trolling to provoke reactions. it is like the bolshevik and the nazis agreeing on certain things. the extremism of hate meets. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/335 "2015-04-21T12:34:20Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > It is the selective reading. Chomsky is otherwise hateful to his politics, but he can agree with an extreme left conspiracy theorist if it is in coincidence with his hatreds and trolling to provoke reactions. > > it is like the bolshevik and the nazis agreeing on certain things. the extremism of hate meets. I don’t agree with Chomsky’s shameful apologism for the Serbs and their genocide of the Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims. Many of your leftist bedfellows do. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/336 "2015-04-21T13:01:03Z")
Leftist bedfellows? You are truly mentally ill and deluded. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/337 "2015-04-21T13:02:09Z")
I have a lot of djinns. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/338 "2015-04-21T13:05:23Z")
You have a lot of sad mental illness that leads you to very incompetent attempts to troll ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/339 "2015-04-21T17:41:59Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > You didn’t answer my question before – if I am mentally ill, then when should I schedule the removal of my [djinn](http://www.livescience.com/47394-supernatural-jinn-mental-illness-islam.html)? How _utterly unsurprising_ that you take an article about how an understanding of Muslim mental patients viewing their hallucinations and other symptoms of their illnesses as “jinn” may offer an opportunity to better treat those patients, and twist it into yet another attack on Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/340 "2015-04-21T17:51:56Z")
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