# The Fallen Blogger and the Spectre of Secularism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2015, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827 "2015-02-28T03:21:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/361 "2015-04-22T22:31:50Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > The troll makes his trolling in a incompetent way… A troll says things he doesn’t believe solely in order to get a rise out of people. Haberdash honestly believes the bigoted nonsense he’s spewing, which means he’s not a troll, he’s merely a moronic asshole. > [@Haberdash](#): > > Even other Muslims can’t escape the censorious impulses of Muslims. Gasp! Just look at [all this censorship!](http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=3041) > [@](#): > > Conservative students should also be out in full force on commencement day to protest outrageously leftist speakers. > > […] > > If your school has selected a leftist speaker for your forthcoming graduation ceremony, a simple, well-planned activism event will force your college’s administration to consider their selection more carefully next year, and it will draw considerable attention for your group. > > […] > > University administrations bring liberal speakers to campus year after year only because conservative students let them get away with it. How _dare_ they desecrate the bodies of the slain Charlie Hebdo staff like that, right, Haberdash? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/362 "2015-04-22T23:29:22Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > They have the right to call for censorship just as you have the right to worship a pedophile. You’re both using your rights to do something awful. [Hail Zeus!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganymede_%28mythology%29) ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/363 "2015-04-23T10:33:56Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > A troll says things he doesn’t believe solely in order to get a rise out of people. > > Haberdash honestly believes the bigoted nonsense he’s spewing, which means he’s not a troll, he’s merely a moronic asshole. hmmmm well it is a strong possibility. > [@](#): > > Gasp! Just look at [all this censorship!](http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=3041) > > How _dare_ they desecrate the bodies of the slain Charlie Hebdo staff like that, right, Haberdash? It does not count if the white christian american citizen persons do it, then they are defending the white christian american culture… ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/364 "2015-04-23T10:35:11Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Hail Zeus!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganymede_%28mythology%29) Ah he thinks I am greek. I was confused. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/365 "2015-04-23T11:47:27Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Hail Zeus!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganymede_%28mythology%29) This is a good comparison – just as the myth of Zeus and Ganymede is evidence of a normalized pedophilia in ancient Greece, so does the hadith of Muhammad consummating his marriage with a nine-year-old girl reflect the widespread acceptance of child rape within Islam and normalize its expected presence in Muslim communities. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/366 "2015-04-23T11:48:36Z")
Here’s what happens to Islamophobes who don’t go with the program of normalized rape of children and women: [Iran Executes Woman Who Said She Stabbed Man Who Attacked Her : The Two-Way : NPR](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/10/25/358897769/iran-executes-woman-who-said-she-stabbed-a-man-who-attacked-her) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/367 "2015-04-23T13:57:12Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > This is a good comparison – just as the myth of Zeus and Ganymede is evidence of a normalized pedophilia in ancient Greece, so does the hadith of Muhammad consummating his marriage with a nine-year-old girl reflect the widespread acceptance of child rape within Islam and normalize its expected presence in Muslim communities. Except for the fact that there was no pedophilia in ancient Greece and it wasn’t normal - rather, there was a typically non-sexual albeit eroticized educative tradition among a stratum of part of Greek nobility. Nor is there widespread acceptance of child rape within Islam, although some communities/cultures seem sort of OK with it (I’m thinking of Afghanis and their “peg boys”. The latter, in turn, seeing nothing wrong with having peg boys when they’re older. presumably because it’s their turn now, I’unno.) But do keep on keeping on, it’s always entertaining to wonder what new shovelful of bullshit you’re going to try and fling at Muslims, only to wind up covered in it yourself. I mean come on lad, even \*monkeys \*have mastered that art ! ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/368 "2015-04-23T14:07:56Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Except for the fact that there was no pedophilia in ancient Greece and it wasn’t normal - rather, there was a typically non-sexual albeit eroticized educative tradition among a stratum of part of Greek nobility. Must be all those Achaeaophobes fabricating evidence. Let’s have them murdered too. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/369 "2015-04-23T14:39:35Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > But do keep on keeping on, it’s always entertaining to wonder what new shovelful of bullshit you’re going to try and fling at Muslims, only to wind up covered in it yourself. I mean come on lad, even \*monkeys \*have mastered that art ! It is in some ways interesting to see a mental illness in action. I am guessing the manic action of the last weeks must be because the medications ended. ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/370 "2015-04-23T14:52:10Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Here’s what happens to Islamophobes who don’t go with the program of normalized rape of children and women: [Iran Executes Woman Who Said She Stabbed Man Who Attacked Her : The Two-Way : NPR](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/10/25/358897769/iran-executes-woman-who-said-she-stabbed-a-man-who-attacked-her) Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia (_Saudi fucking Arabia!_) [just executed](http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20150127231798) a man for raping a number of underage girls. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/371 "2015-04-23T15:16:31Z")
I do not see a reason to respond to the mentally ill person. He goes on about worshiping pedophiles which has no sense… It is just mental illness. Like the persons who rant about the catholic church and being in all conspiracies and the child molestation. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/372 "2015-04-23T17:28:18Z")
Even in America, Muslims seem to have issues with kidnapping and assaulting women who have been sold for marriage against their will. [http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/28874757/2015/04/22/groom-to-be-in-arranged-marriage-arrested-accused-of-sexual-assault](http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/28874757/2015/04/22/groom-to-be-in-arranged-marriage-arrested-accused-of-sexual-assault) ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/373 "2015-04-23T17:47:36Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Even in America, Muslims seem to have issues with kidnapping and assaulting women who have been sold for marriage against their will. [http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/28874757/2015/04/22/groom-to-be-in-arranged-marriage-arrested-accused-of-sexual-assault](http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/28874757/2015/04/22/groom-to-be-in-arranged-marriage-arrested-accused-of-sexual-assault) Yes, [Muslims](https://www.google.com/search?q=orthodox+jews+arranged+marriage+abuse&biw=1280&bih=953&noj=1&site=webhp&ei=qC85VeSPOMH9ggTruYT4Bw&start=0&sa=N) sure do have a problem with abusive arranged teen marriages in America. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/374 "2015-04-23T18:51:21Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > I do not see a reason to respond to the mentally ill person. He goes on about worshiping pedophiles which has no sense… It is just mental illness. Like the persons who rant about the catholic church and being in all conspiracies and the child molestation. Oh, you do psychoanalisys _and_ give lectures on catholic church too? Sounds wonderful. Where do I sign up? ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/375 "2015-04-23T19:16:41Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Nothing in all my time here has made me believe that the cardinal SDMB pretension that ignoring and disappearing these people actually has any success. “Hey everyone in 15 years of SDMB people have not stopped posting views contrarian to my own so I’ll just keep repeating the words ‘mentally ill’ over and over again while I pretend to ignore them”. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/376 "2015-04-23T20:28:30Z")
Lots of Islamophobes running around with their privilege unchecked, as five more Charlie Hebdo incidents have been thwarted since January. > **[France 'foils five terror attacks' - PM Valls](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32427129)** > > French police have foiled five recent terror plots, Prime Minister Manuel Valls says, amid tightened security in the wake of deadly attacks in January. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/377 "2015-04-23T20:40:06Z")
Meanwhile, the oppressive situation for religious dissenters in Bangladesh has not improved since the start of this thread. [Muslim Extremists Want to Slit My Throat](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/22/muslim-extremists-want-to-slit-my-throat.html) ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/378 "2015-04-23T20:41:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Mr Mawrey said Mr Rahman, whom he described an “evasive” witness, was a man who “perceives racism everywhere” and along with his lieutenants had repeatedly used accusations of racial prejudice or Islamophobia as a stock response to criticism. Sounds familiar. England is the target of Muslim supremacists this time, with the usual casual contempt for Western norms and laws. > **[Court bans Lutfur Rahman from office and tells Tower Hamlets to pick a new mayor](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tower-hamlets-mayor-lutfur-rahman-found-guilty-of-election-corruption-and-barred-from-office-10198149.html)** > > The election for the post of Mayor of Tower Hamlets will be re-run after the judgement ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/379 "2015-04-23T20:59:00Z")
Y’know, I’m starting to think this guy hates Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/380 "2015-04-23T22:07:52Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Except for the fact that there was no pedophilia in ancient Greece and it wasn’t normal - rather, there was a typically non-sexual albeit eroticized educative tradition among a stratum of part of Greek nobility. Well . . . I’m pretty sure [Greek pederasty](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece) was sexual . . . for certain values of “sexual.” But, it was not pedophilic, it was ephebophilic, which is a different thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827.md?page=20)