# The Fallen Blogger and the Spectre of Secularism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2015, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827 "2015-02-28T03:21:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1201 "2015-05-31T00:49:01Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > A direct lie. Booth has spoken out for the people of Gaza, but has no connection to Hamas [In 2008, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh presented her with a “VIP” passport to Gaza](http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lauren-booths-embrace-of-islam-veils-the-truth-6528803.html) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1202 "2015-05-31T00:55:25Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > [In 2008, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh presented her with a “VIP” passport to Gaza](http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lauren-booths-embrace-of-islam-veils-the-truth-6528803.html) This is stupid, although predictable from you. Hamas runs Gaza. Booth pleads the case for the Palestinians of Gaza. Hamas gives this independent reporter leave to travel Gaza to inquire what is going on. Hater decides that Booth is a “propagandist” for pointing out the problems faced by the people in Gaza. Do you have any record of her actually promoting Hamas? ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1203 "2015-05-31T00:58:04Z")
What percentage of Gaza human rights activists do you imagine get VIP passports presented to them by the leader of Hamas? Booth also has the unfortunate problem of ranting about how British Jews run the world and forgetting to mention anything about Palestine in her speeches. I guess this is part of the “we too oppose the extremists, but refuse to identify anyone as an extremist” game. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1204 "2015-05-31T01:02:08Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > In the **non** -American laws you are relying on, the name of the crime (usually prosecuted as crime and not a common law tort) is “defaming a religion” or “blasphemous libel.” > > There is no such thing in American law to begin with, which is the point. > > There is no question that both apply, by virtue of the fact that this is a nationwide news story. > > There are expansive additional protections granted to religious opinions by the First Amendment. “The Islamic Community Center of Phoenix has ties to Hamas” is, as a matter of law, a different sort of statement than “Monsanto has ties to Hamas,” and in the U.S. it’s different because the first one can almost never be libel (even if it wasn’t true, which it is). I know that you wish we were living in U.N. world where even saying “I don’t believe Islam is correct” is a crime, but thankfully, we are not. This was good for a laugh. Almost none of this is correct, and the correct parts are irrelevant to my claim and misapplied by you. And the best part is that you declare it all with such certainly and arrogance while being absolutely wrong. There’s a news story about them, so they are unquestionably a public figure. :smack: There is a nice parallel between you being an obvious non-lawyer who has a loose grasp of defamation law and lecturing on it like you know something, and you talking about Islam and Muslims like you know something more than what Ann Coulter and Pamela Gellar have spoonfed you. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1205 "2015-05-31T01:09:18Z")
Can you provide a single example of a religious institution in the United States successfully winning a libel claim based on assertions about what their leaders are “tied to” or believe? Can you provide a single example of any religious institution besides Scientology even filing a libel claim at all? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1206 "2015-05-31T01:17:42Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Can you provide a single example of a religious institution in the United States successfully winning a libel claim based on assertions about what their leaders are “tied to” or believe? > > Can you provide a single example of any religious institution besides Scientology even filing a libel claim at all? You are so far over your head that you don’t even know smart questions to ask as a way of distracting from how wrong you were about the prior post. As much fun as this is, I’m starting to pity you a little bit, and that’s usually where I bow out. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1207 "2015-05-31T01:34:14Z")
I guess that’s a “no” on doing anything but sticking your fingers in your ears and declaring victory. Won’t be the last time in this thread, I imagine. ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1208 "2015-05-31T01:42:23Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Well, it would seem there are indeed some [“ties”](http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7423) between the NAIT (which seems to own something along the lines of 27%, if not more, of all mosques in the US) and the Muslim Brotherhood. That whole link is a load of cherrypicked nonsense. > [@Stringbean](#): > > _A third FBI memo, dated 1988, identified NAIT as one of many “Ikhwan organizations”—i.e., Muslim Brotherhood fronts—that “are involved in organizing political support” for a long-term plan seeking “to institute the Islamic Revolution in the United States” and “establish political control of all non-Islamic governments in the world.”_ Funny how you don’t cut and paste the part about the “second memo” mentioned at your link, where the FBI also thought that NAIT supported Khomeini and his Shia government, “as well as other fanatical Islamic Shiite fundamentalist leaders in the Middle East”. And this right after the link accused NAIT of wanting to spread Wahhabism (ie, Saudi Arabian brand fundamentalist Islam). The problem is that NAIT can’t be all those things at once. The [Brotherhood and the Saudis hate each other,](http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114468/why-saudi-arabia-helping-crush-muslim-brotherhood) and [each of them](http://articles.latimes.com/2013/aug/10/world/la-fg-egypt-sectarianism-20130810) [also hate](http://jcpa.org/article/sunni-vs-shiite-in-saudi-arabia/) the Shia. Only in the mind of bigoted boneheads who think one radical Muslim is just like another and that therefore anyone who’s a “radical Muslim” is in ideological communion with all the other “radical Muslims” and so are all engaged in one giant unified Evil Muslim Conspiracy is there such a thing as a Muslim Brotherhood-linked, Iranian Shiite fundamentalist-supporting, Wahhabist-promoting organization. It’s just as facepalmingly stupid as the theory among certain lunatics on the right that Obama is a [gay atheist Muslim](https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gay+atheist+muslim+obama). He can’t be all those things at the same time, and neither can NAIT be all the things that link accuses them of being at the same time. > [@Stringbean](#): > > NAIT was also named in a May 1991 Muslim Brotherhood document—titled “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America”—as one of the Brotherhood’s 29 likeminded allies dedicated to waging a “grand Jihad” aimed at “eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within.” Which was not a “these people are part of our Sekrit Muslim Conspiracy” list, but “we think these people might be on our side” list put together by one guy in Europe. Needless to say, not only was that twenty years ago, but the adeptness of the fucking morons in the Brotherhood at carrying out secret world-dominating conspiratorial plans is best highlighted by the fact that they [couldn’t even manage to dominate the Muslim-majority country they were founded in](http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/12/egypt-crackdown-muslim-brotherhood-2013122615744500196.html)! And that link gleefully mentions the 2009 district court decision in which “[t]he designation of NAIT as an ‘unindicted co-conspirator’ was upheld in 2009 by a federal judge, though that judge ruled against the previous public disclosure of the designation”, but doesn’t see fit to talk about [the subsequent 2010 Circuit Court of Appeals decision](http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1541982.html) which stated, > [@](#): > > We note, as well, that the district court’s findings do not amount to a ruling that NAIT took part in a criminal conspiracy to support Hamas.   In fact, the Government has gone so far as to argue that it never, in the course of this litigation, labeled NAIT a criminal coconspirator.5  The Government argues that it only asserted that NAIT was at least a “joint venturer” with the defendants.   See United States v. Layton, 855 F.2d 1388, 1399 (9th Cir.1988);  United States v. Saimiento-Rozo, 676 F.2d 146, 149-50 (5th Cir.1982);  United States v. Regilio, 669 F.2d 1169, 1174 n.4 (7th Cir.1981).   One can qualify as a “joint venturer” for the purposes of Rule 801(d)(2)(E) merely by engaging in a joint plan-distinct from the criminal conspiracy charged-that was non-criminal in nature.  Saimiento-Rozo, 676 F.2d at 149-50.   Therefore, even if NAIT could have been accurately characterized as a joint venturer, that characterization does not carry an inherently criminal connotation. > [@Stringbean](#): > > Now, perhaps the FBI was wrong in these assessments. Pretty much, yeah. > [@Stringbean](#): > > Perhaps the Phoenix Mosque is upstanding in its teachings and all these connections are just the unfortunate consequence of one funding network owning such a vast swath of American mosques. The Muslim Brotherhood has at least not seen it apt to disassociate itself. The “Muslim Brotherhood” is currently a splintered, shattered shadow of its former self, which wasn’t even close to being unified to _begin_ with. Its only important in the minds of anti-Islam conspiracy theorists who apparently see members of the Brotherhood under their beds at night. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1209 "2015-05-31T01:50:09Z")
So I guess the real question is whether the FBI is guilty of libel 😛 ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1210 "2015-05-31T02:03:05Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Can you provide a single example of a religious institution in the United States successfully winning a libel claim based on assertions about what their leaders are “tied to” or believe? > > Can you provide a single example of any religious institution besides Scientology even filing a libel claim at all? [Anaheim-Based Church Wins $11.9-Million Libel Judgment](http://articles.latimes.com/1985-06-28/local/me-1453_1_local-church) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1211 "2015-05-31T02:55:36Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > What percentage of Gaza human rights activists do you imagine get VIP passports presented to them by the leader of Hamas? > > Booth also has the unfortunate problem of ranting about how British Jews run the world and forgetting to mention anything about Palestine in her speeches. I guess this is part of the “we too oppose the extremists, but refuse to identify anyone as an extremist” game. I never made a claim that Booth was a calm, rational person. You posted the lie that she was a propagandist for Hamas, (as a way to avoid addressing the rest of your errors in that earlier post) and I pointed out that your claim was false (as were all the other claims). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1212 "2015-05-31T06:37:15Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > It’s just as facepalmingly stupid as the theory among certain lunatics on the right that Obama is a [gay atheist Muslim](https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gay+atheist+muslim+obama). Whoa. The stuff that search returns makes less sense than [this nonsense verse](http://www.blindpigandtheacorn.com/blind_pig_the_acorn/2013/10/two-dead-boys-got-up-to-fight.html). ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1213 "2015-07-16T01:38:47Z")
s criticizing Islam allowed in The BBQ Pit? Who should I blame for the following-? The following is not exactly new news but it ain’t that old either 12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000 [http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html](http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html) The sad story of the never ending killing of Palestinian children by the Israeli Defense Force all in the name of self-defense. Murdering little girls is an Israeli sport it seems Gaza girl said killed By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents, and Haaretz Service Thu., October 28, 2004 IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp [http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html](http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html) UN officials: Girl hit by IDF gunfire in UN school in Gaza By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and AP Tue., October 12, 2004 Tishrei 27, 5765 An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfirewhile sitting at her desk at the same school. [http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html](http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html) United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) 7 September 2004 At 07:45 10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by Israeli fire while sitting at her desk in UNRWA’s Elementary Girl’s School On June 1 this year two ten-year old children in UNRWA’s Al-Umariye Elementary Boys’ School in Rafah were hit by a bullet from a Israeli tank In March 2003 12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom. Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. [http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html](http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html) Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed. > **[palestine-net.com](http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/)** > > This domain may be for sale! Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and ead while buying candy with her friends. 5 June 2004 > **[The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails](https://electronicintifada.net/content/new-yorkers-israel-where-objectivity-fails/5111)** > > Where objectivity fails, investigative and feature-oriented journalism plays a potent role. On May 31, the New Yorker published Jeffrey Goldberg’s 21-page “Among the Settlers.” Unfortunately, his essay is not more than an attempt to legitimize... An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends [http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk](http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk) Boy of 17, shot by Israeli soldiers, left bleeding overnight to die September 8, 2003 The bullet ridden corpse of Mohammad Abdullah Abu al-Husni, was found yesterday morning near the town of Jabaliya, where he lived in Gaza. [http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left\_to\_die.htm](http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left_to_die.htm) Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street in Khan Yunis refugee camp with her mother. 28 July 2003 She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying, ‘Mother, mother’. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other. She was still in my arms and she died." [http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0...007051,00.html](http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0...007051,00.html) This boy was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread. Tuesday December 23, 2003 [http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...112055,00.html](http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...112055,00.html) Baby is born then dies September 11, 2003 Birth and death at the checkpoint [http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html](http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html) Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy Siege off Nablus January, 2004 15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house. The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper. [http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appe](http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appe)…\_the\_siege.htm Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends. 5 June 2004 > **[The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails](https://electronicintifada.net/content/new-yorkers-israel-where-objectivity-fails/5111)** > > Where objectivity fails, investigative and feature-oriented journalism plays a potent role. On May 31, the New Yorker published Jeffrey Goldberg’s 21-page “Among the Settlers.” Unfortunately, his essay is not more than an attempt to legitimize... 15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper. [http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appe](http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appe)…\_the\_siege.htm An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends [http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk](http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk) IDF shoots 13-year-old girl in the back with 20 bullets and then the IDF commander goes over to the girl and shoots her again to make sure she was dead Tue., October 05, 2004 [http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/485274.html](http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/485274.html) “I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport." [http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/children.html](http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/children.html) [http://tinyurl.com/8rmn2g3](http://tinyurl.com/8rmn2g3) .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.Islam did not carry out the acts above, so who did-? Somethings just need repeating.,… Do you agree, yes or no and is you care to, tell me why-? Just asking ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1214 "2015-07-17T11:43:37Z")
Those are all bad things to have happened, and they make me sad. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1215 "2015-07-17T13:21:20Z")
The _Guardian_ and _Palestinian Monitor_ links, and some others, don’t work, BTW. **toooldtocare** , how long have you been hanging on to that post? Nothing’s newer than 2004. I find the info, er, too old to care. ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1216 "2015-07-26T19:44:24Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > The _Guardian_ and _Palestinian Monitor_ links, and some others, don’t work, BTW…,.Nothing’s newer than 2004. I find the info, er, too old to care. Nothing newer than 2004-? I see 2014 below, care to comment-? \*Israel ex-officer leads Ukraine protests: Reports Sunday Feb 16, 2014 Ukrainian media have reported that a former Israeli army officer is playing a leading role in the anti-government protests in the former Soviet republic. Four other Israelis, who had previously served in the army, were recently reported to have taken part in opposition rallies in Ukraine’s capital, Kiev.\* [http://thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/mossad.htm](http://thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/mossad.htm) _Mossad Agent was an agent of the Israeli Mossad who was seen in MTAC, witnessing an operation that Mossad Officer Ziva David had acquired intel for._ > **[Mossad Agent](https://ncis.fandom.com/wiki/Mossad_Agent)** > > Mossad Agent is an unnamed man. Nov 4, 2014 - The Islamic State group is the creation of Israel’s Mossad, Iran’s deputy foreign minister said Tuesday, accusing the spy agency of aiming to … > **[Senior Iran official: Israel's Mossad created ISIS](https://www.haaretz.com/2014-11-04/ty-article/iran-official-israels-mossad-created-isis/0000017f-f381-d497-a1ff-f381e24c0000)** > > Deputy foreign minister's accusation echoes many others, which abounded after an Iranian news report purportedly proving Islamic State's Israeli and American roots. _Russian writer and political activist: Mossad training ISIS terrorists in Iraq, Syria_ > **[Russian writer and political activist: Mossad training ISIS terrorists in...](https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Top-Putin-aide-Mossad-training-ISIS-terrorists-in-Iraq-Syria-383964)** > > Alexander Prokhanov accuses Israel and the US of training the Islamic State in order to undermine Moscow’s interests in the Middle East. _Isis claims responsibility for Texas attack No evidence Islamic State had actual hand in attack as details emerge about would-be gunmen Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi_ > **[Isis claims responsibility for Texas attack](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/05/isis-claims-responsibility-for-texas-atttack?CMP=ema_565)** > > No evidence Islamic State had actual hand in attack as details emerge about would-be gunmen Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi You can always google the topic or phrases and find out for yourself. I want you to prove the articles wrong. I do not want to believe it yet here it is ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1217 "2015-07-26T21:49:46Z")
Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, has confirmed that the Israeli art students were, in fact, part of a major Israeli intelligence operation and that they were conducting surveillance of the activities of the 9-11 hijackers. They also worked with the Israeli Urban Moving System employees in New Jersey who were seen in at least two Jersey City locations – Liberty State Park and The Doric apartment building – celebrating the impact of the first plane into the World Trade Center. The Israelis at Liberty State Park were dressed in Arab-style clothing when they were witnessed celebrating the first attack. The FBI later confiscated a videotape they filmed of the first attack. [http://tinyurl.com/8ss8r7r](http://tinyurl.com/8ss8r7r) State Dep’t Defines Israeli Settler Violence as Terrorism .[http://tinyurl.com/8cn3cpz](http://tinyurl.com/8cn3cpz) ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2015, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1218 "2015-07-26T22:36:55Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > This is stupid, although predictable from you.,.,… Tomndebb, If you want my posts deleted and/or me just say so & if it is within my power it will be done (:- ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1219 "2015-07-27T04:25:12Z")
Cancerous Islam attacks Punjab, India (from across the border in Pak). 15 terrorists, hostage situation, 8 people dead so far, army called in. 5 bombs planted to blow up railway tracks diffused in the same area. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fallen-blogger-and-the-spectre-of-secularism/713827/1220 "2015-07-27T15:55:47Z")
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