Of course he means in fact all muslims:
It is the logic and the basis of all the genocidaires in history. they make their double language and pretend a limited toleration for the individual, but their logic is liquidation.
No minority is safe in any place where this thinking escapes the marginaliztion.
This is no better than the mentally ill person in the end.
Liquidation. Final solutions… it is the same logic.
It’s interesting how the progressives worship Obama, who murders innocent Muslims with clumsy drone attacks but talks about the vague need to “respect” Islam/refuses to attend the Charlie Hebdo memorial, but are driven into a shrieking meltdown by those advocating the peaceful persuasion of human beings to abandon backwards ideologies. You’d rather “respect” people while killing them than rise to the challenge of bringing everyone into the light of modernity. Curious.
Bad trolling it is not convincing to anyone.
More interesting to follow the P-ratio, it is at least amusing.
It is interesting, that hostility towards Christianity is prevalent among the Left and hostility towards Islam is reviled. Bill Maher finds himself the uncomfortable bedfellow of us racist Islamophobes because he sees that, while modern Christianity may oppose *some *liberal beliefs, modern Islam in many nations seeks a return to the Dark Ages.
It is merely consistency that I seek. That the Left would craft such a blatant double-standard is startling, and the only proper reasoning I can surmise is that any criticism of Islam should be seen as, to use Haberdash’s overused expression, “punching down.”
We are the global powers, and our pointing out the intolerance towards gays, women, apostates, atheists, Christians, and even other Muslims, is in poor form. We can do it in our society, in fact are proud to do so, but not the societies of others. That is their business, and to hold them to the same standards is…bigotry.
That’s quite a straw “Left” you’ve constructed for yourself there. Plenty of self-identified liberals, such as noted New Atheists Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins, are even more hostile towards Islam than towards Christianity.
If you find actual members of the “Left” who approve of hostility toward Christianity while condemning hostility toward Islam, you can criticize them all you want. But AFAICT, there aren’t any such around here, so you’re just keeping your outrage ginned up by punching your strawman.
The fact that someone not making a hypothetical pizza for a nonexistent gay wedding has generated more anger among the Salon-o-sphere than ISIS throwing gay men off buildings says a lot. Denying that American progressives have a double standard of Christianity v. Islam is just showing your own ability to live outside of reality.
:dubious: The fact that women legally trying to get prescriptions for emergency contraception has generated more anger among American conservatives than ISIS throwing gay men off buildings indicates that American conservatives have no business lecturing anybody else about “double standards”.
C’mon, dude, surely you understand the difference between the way people react to what they perceive as violations of their social ethical principles by the laws of their own country, and the way they react to atrocities committed by foreigners in other places over whose laws and culture they have no control. Of course everybody agrees that terrorists murdering innocent people is objectively worse than clashes about sexual politics here at home. But that doesn’t mean they’re not going to argue about the local sexual-politics issues anyway, precisely because they are local.
Your comparing apples and oranges in that way is just another instance of your strawman-battering flailing around to make it look like you’ve got some kind of valid argument. All your foaming at the mouth about how “liberals” or the “Left” or “progressives” are somehow condoning or excusing Islamist-terrorist atrocities is simply so much bullshit.
We’re still in the middle of the PEN fallout. A segment of the left intelligentsia absolutely refuses to have anything to do with condemning anything Islamic, even the murder of 12 people. It’s happening literally as we speak. This is a complete closed question – yes, Western leftists have a double standard about Islam.
Not even remotely true, but like every other lie you’ve posted since you showed up here, you already knew that.
Name one thing that you condemn about Islam.
Gee, that’s a lovely bunch of straw you’ve got there. You know, just because some writers don’t think a particular magazine is necessarily entitled to a literary society award on the grounds that some of their staffers were viciously and heinously murdered by Islamist terrorists does not mean that they “refuse to have anything to do with condemning anything Islamic”.
In fact, if you bothered to look up any of the statements that were actually made by the few writers who withdrew from the PEN gala because of their award to Charlie Hebdo, you’d find a lot of very thoughtful remarks that don’t shy away at all from condemning Islamist-extremist terrorism and violence. For example, this statement from Nigerian-American writer Teju Cole:
Teju Cole as an internationally known writer and public figure has been way more visible and courageous about publicly disavowing and condemning Islamist violence and repression of freedom than anonymous little shitstains like you ever have. Go peddle your imaginary straw-stuffed “segment of the left intelligentsia” that you claim “absolutely refuses to have anything to do with condemning anything Islamic” somewhere else, dickwipe.
Propagating the ridiculous “they deserved it for being so racist” meme is Sharia-compliance from cowards, of whom Teju Cole is one. If they were actually giving an award to Roy he would find a reason not to be there. The difference between this and Rushdie is that only this incident happened after the left forged an ideological alliance with Islam.
Are you defining the Charlie Hebdo murderers as somehow not in the “radical” segment of Islam? Funny how people who insist they dislike the “radicals” just as much as us normals dislike the “sinceres” never get around to putting anyone in the “radical” group – almost as if you refuse to condemn any Muslims at all no matter what they do…
Now you’re just making shit up, although to be fair, it’s been pretty evident that you’ve been making shit up all along. Of course Cole is explicitly disagreeing with any absurd notion that the Charlie Hebdo victims somehow “deserved it for being so racist”.
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Are you defining the Charlie Hebdo murderers as somehow not in the “radical” segment of Islam?
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Of course I’m including the Charlie Hebdo murderers in the radical (no scare quotes required) segment of Islam, you illiterate droolsack. In just the last few posts, I’ve explicitly referred to them and their ideological ilk in Kenya and Bangladesh as “Islamist terrorists” and “Islamist extremists” committing “violence” and “atrocities” such as “viciously and heinously” murdering people, as well as general “repression of freedom”. What part of that sounds to your deliberately obtuse brain like I’m in any way unwilling to label them “radicals”?
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Funny how people who insist they dislike the “radicals” just as much as us normals dislike the “sinceres” never get around to putting anyone in the “radical” group – almost as if you refuse to condemn any Muslims at all no matter what they do…
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See above. The delusion that “liberals” or the “Left” or any significant “segment” thereof actually “refuse to condemn any Muslims at all no matter what they do” is merely a figment of your bigoted imagination. I, and any other liberal or leftist I’m aware of, will unhesitatingly condemn murderous tyrannical fanatical Islamist-extremist terrorists for their atrocious crimes with no qualms or arriere-pensee whatsoever.
The reality is that in the month since Roy was murdered Cole hasn’t in fact said anything about it, and this award was in fact about CH. When confronted with a non-hypothetical opportunity to say “there is no right to kill people for making fun of Islam, full stop” Cole chose instead to become the vanguard of the pernicious “those racists deserved it” meme.
The PEN award is about one thing – free speech in the face of censorship and violence – not Islam or spurious allegations of racism. Teju Cole has forcefully chosen to declare that he does not support this principle.
Who the fuck do you think you’re fooling, Haberdash? The only person in this thread dumb enough to fall for your schtick is Stringbean, and he’s already on your side.
So that’s a “no” on you being willing to name one thing about Islam you dislike?
A true “free-speech fundamentalist” would applaud Charlie Hebdo receiving that award because the attack was an attack on freedom of expression and the award represents the very principle of freedom of expression.
In other words, a fundamentalist has an absolute allegiance to freedom of expression and does not get to pick and choose to only like the non-offensive stuff. An attack explicitly targeting an outlet of speech is in fact the highest rallying cry for a so-called fundamentalist.
He caved to political correctness and/or does not truly believe in free speech, warts and all.
That’s a “no” on me treating anything you post as anything more than dogshit to be scraped off my shoe.
Amazing.
We’re totally not afraid of criticizing Islam! We promise to do it … uh … later.
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