The Fallen Blogger and the Spectre of Secularism

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The “they deserved it” articles begin.

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Nowhere in that article does anyone say or imply to even the slightest extent that the organizers of this Troll-the-Muslims-with-Cartoons event in any way “deserved” to be violently attacked.

Once again, Haberdash proves himself completely unable to distinguish between criticizing an individual or organization and claiming that the individual or organization you’re criticizing somehow “deserves” to be the victim of violence.

But we don’t really expect anything better of Haberdash by this time.

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I wonder what she learned from being a documented liar.

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Nowhere in that article does anybody say or imply to even the slightest extent that anyone who speaks against oppressive practices in Muslim cultures is “the enemy”.

Nor does anybody say or imply to even the slightest extent that Islamophobia is “the only legitimate topic” to discuss concerning Muslims and assimilation.

Thanks for the links, though: the articles are thoughtful and informative, even though, as usual, they’re not actually saying anything like what you claim they say. (Actually, they’re thoughtful and informative because they’re not saying anything like what you claim they say.)

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And so far, you have come up with zero evidence of anybody attempting to actually “justify” the attack, much less arguing that it should have been “shut down” by a “hate speech” law.

If anyone does attempt to make such arguments, of course, I will gladly agree that they are flat-out wrong to do so.

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Don’t shoot!

Yes, she falsified an asylum application saying she was from Somalia rather than Kenya. Millions of people do what they can to immigrate to superior Western countries every year. I fault none of them for it. What does this have to do with her knowledge of Islam? What does it have to do with the pointed decision to run an article about “Islamophobia” and why any critic of Islam can’t be trusted as the immediate response to another Islamic murder plot against cartoonists?

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Why are you saying “Don’t shoot!”?

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Just like a “men’s rights” site running an article about what a short-skirt wearing slut a rape victim is, like clockwork, every time there’s a rape. You would judge that as just providing information, as you do dhimmi media sites running articles about what a hateful Islamophobe a terrorism victim is, like clockwork, every time there’s an Islamic incident. Nothing means anything, there is no context, no one ever reads between the lines to get the obvious point of the message.

You probably think Moby-Dick is a rollicking tale about killing whales.

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At least try to use a different joke each time, if you insist on digging yourself deeper like this.

That’s not all she lied about.

Because if she’s willing to lie about what supposedly happened to her and use those lies as part of her anti-Islam crusade, what else is she willing to lie about as part of her anti-Islam crusade?

Read any of those books I recommended yet? Because I have lots more where those came from.

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That is the only possible rational thing to do, and the bonus is that by doing it you deprive those responsible of the backlash they’re hoping for.

2005 wasn’t even a particularly high year for plane fatalities, INCLUDING September 11. The fuckwits prepared to do this sort of thing are few and far between. Ignore it, and you’re still massively safer stepping in a plane than you are driving a car to work.

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What a vile little toad you are.

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See post #628. Haberdash is calling A’isha a terrorist because she’s a Muslim.

Apparently he thinks that’s funny, or something.

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One of those signatories was later arrested for vandalizing one of Pam Gellar’s bus ads. I guess the free speech message didn’t take.

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Oh, and it’s Geller, not Gellar.

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Does the article actually state or imply that the rape victim deserved to get raped for wearing a short skirt? (Generally they aren’t shy about making that clear.)

If not, then criticizing somebody as immodest or “slutty” for wearing a short skirt, however much I personally may disagree with such criticism in its own right, is not the same thing as saying she “deserves” to be raped.

It is perfectly possible (though apparently rather rare) for a conservative and/or sexist person to believe both that wearing a short skirt is immodest or “slutty” behavior and that rape is inexcusable and nobody deserves to be raped.

Similarly, criticizing Islamophobes for being hateful bigots, however much you personally may disagree with such criticism in its own right, is not the same thing as saying they “deserve” to be attacked by terrorists.

It is perfectly possible, and not at all rare, for non-Islamophobes to believe both that Islamophobes are hateful bigots and that terror attacks are abhorrent and heinous crimes and nobody, Islamophobic or otherwise, deserves to be attacked by terrorists.

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Don’t shoot!

Look, you do not “support free speech” if you physically destroy speech you don’t like. That’s exactly what “support free speech” doesn’t mean. Defending Eltahawy only makes me ask how many other people on the list signed knowing that the “free speech” they were endorsing doesn’t extend to anti-Muslim expressions.

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Yes, of course, the very existence of such an article “implies” it. That’s the only reason such an article would exist.

I have a bridge to sell you, assuming Muslims haven’t blown it up yet.

It’s not plausible for the immediate response to every attack to be a list of the sins of the victim, and for the reason to be anything but making it obvious that the lister believes the victim deserved it.

Metaphysical possibility isn’t the same as the actual reasons why people do things.

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Look, do you need me to help you come up with some new, creative insults for me? Like, “I’m amazed you could see through your burqa well enough to hit ‘reply’”.

Because what you’re doing is just sad.