Nothing to see here, folks. Let’s take a trip down memory lane…
I think Ramira was referring to what’s more commonly (at least in English) transliterated as the Ikhwan or “Brethren”, i.e., the Muslim Brotherhood movement.
It must be a very sad thing to have such limited intellectual capacity that you’re unable to simultaneously combine sincere condemnation of an individual’s heinous criminal acts with a sincere wish to understand the historical influences shaping the radical ideology promoting such acts.
Seriously, dude, you have my sympathy. But I don’t think that people who are capable of grown-up discussion of political and religious history should censor their remarks just to keep you from feeling bad about your limitations.
To be fair, that would scare me, too.
Thanks.
Some might say the intellectual limitation exists in those who repeat sincere condemnation without grasping the wider trend before them. A priest may say a thousand last rites and never see the avalanche at his feet…
As for my aspersions, well, here we sit again. Back in this forlorn thread and this forlorn roundabout of condemnation and apologism. It isn’t for the Crusades nor my own ignorance. The Machete won’t stop for my shortcomings.
Exactly my point. You’re so obsessed with having noticed the “wider trend” of global Islamist-extremist ideology that you can’t understand why anybody would think it important to grasp the even wider trend of the historical roots and political development of global Islamist-extremist ideology.
Consequently, your notion of an anti-Islamophobe is a cartoon strawman who always insists on criticizing non-Muslim entities instead of Muslim ones. But that’s bullshit: most of us real-life anti-Islamophobes are sentient human beings who are capable of objecting to different things in different ways at the same time.
You don’t seem to grasp that it’s possible for the human brain to simultaneously abhor the murderous actions of individual extremist criminals, reject the hateful intolerance of modern Islamist-extremist fundamentalism in general, and also investigate and analyze the various political and cultural developments both within and outside historical Islam that gave rise to it.
I’m an agnostic. If every religion ended tomorrow, I’d do a dance. On some religous leaders’ graves, ideally. But Islam currently is edging out all other religions in the “too crazy to be allowed in the modern world” competition.
Just because some varieties of hardline-extremist Islamist fundamentalism are indeed dangerously crazy is no reason to disallow all forms of Islam from the modern world.
Funny how you can always spot the Islamophobes because they always insist on complaining about “Islam” instead of “Islamic fundamentalism” or “radical-Islamist extremism” or any other specific descriptor that’s actually accurate.
If they really wanted to talk about the genuine dangers posed by militant Islamist extremist ideologies, they would have no problem with using accurate descriptors to refer to such ideologies. But all they actually want is to feed their sense of righteous outrage by trolling Muslims and anti-Islamophobes with bitter disparagement of Islam as a whole, and then calling the anti-Islamophobes cowardly appeasers for pointing out that militant Islamist extremist ideologies are not in fact co-extensive with Islam as a whole.
So as usual, the problem with Muslims murdering someone for writing a blog isn’t the murder, but that the horde of “Islamophobes” might erroneously conclude that there are some Muslims who will, under some circumstances, murder people.
Have you considered just getting a robot to make this post for you?
It’s amazing how many things you manage to get wrong in a single sentence.
If people over here were aware of the language and context of bigoted poison that is allowed to run on media(even main-stream media) for ex. of a few Muslim majority countries, they will understand the mentality a bit more.
Bolding mine. You sure you’re not a racist? :dubious:
Yep. In fact I don’t think there are many people who are more tolerant than me, or people whose belief in equality of all ‘races’ is more firm than mine.
True enough.
Ignorance, superstition, and violent religious nut jobs may yet be insurmountable obstacles for humanity to overcome.
Idiot troll is idiot.
Difficult as it may be for you to grasp, the fact is that a particular incident can be indicative of more than one problem. And being justifiably outraged about one of those problems does not excuse wilfully indulging your ignorance, stupidity or bigotry concerning the other problems.
As I noted above, if Islamophobes really wanted to complain about the atrocious crimes committed by violent extremists in the name of fundamentalist Islam, they’d use accurate terms to refer to them, instead of relying on exaggerations and strawmen to shit-talk Islam and Muslims in general. The fact that trolls like Haberdash prefer to pretend that anti-Islamophobes are trying to deny that “there are some Muslims who will, under some circumstances, murder people” tells you all you need to know about the fundamental dishonesty and frivolity of their rantings.
I always wish we could have just one Pit thread where we could all join in condemning the many atrocities and oppressions of radical-Islamist extremist ideologies that actually deserve condemnation. The people who do those things are violent, intolerant criminal shitstains, and it would be great to see them getting an unbroken torrent of the Pitting they deserve, directed accurately and specifically at them and their tyrannical aims. Unfortunately, such cathartic invective-fests are always interrupted by the Islamophobe trolls trying to turn them into condemnations of Muslims and Islam as a whole.
Here’s a thought, Islamophobe trolls: if you really want the rest of us to talk about how much we hate Islamist-extremist violence, don’t fucking keep trying to change the subject to how much you hate Islam and Muslims in general.
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Majority of Muslims may well be fine, but 99% of extremists also happen to be followers.
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Islamophobe troll repeats idiotic overgeneralization without ever having addressed earlier reasoned challenge to it:
Actual information or thoughtful response posted by truthSeeker2 in response to Kimstu’s rebuttal: fucking cricket-chirping nada zip zilch sifr.
99% is a conservative number that I put, it could be up to 99.9%.
Naxali-Maoist insurgency has nothing to do with any religious agenda. They think govt. exploits natural resources and human resources of those areas, and they continue to live in dire poverty.
Where as Isis, alqaeda , Taliban, Lashkar e toiba, boko haram, all shabab, and plenty others are hardcore religious groups all thinking they all upholding the RoP
I am pretty sure you are unaware of the mentality prevailing in several non extremist Muslims as you don’t understand any of the languages spoken in the region. Ur only help is maybe some of the pew poll results regarding blasphemy sharia etc
And you claim you do? Based on your posts, it is unclear that you even understand English, so I am hardly going to credit your libels about other peoples whom you clearly do not know.
I won’t speak for Ramira, but I would say it depends on the region.
It’s ridiculous and somewhat simplistic to assume that radical Islam in say Pakistan and Egypt(two countries that are about as different as France and Brazil) came about for the same reason, but in general I would say that the growth of radical Islam was due to the failures and the social engineering of various ostensibly “secular” governments which were backed either by the Soviets, the west, or both and that such failures caused many, particularly amongst the struggling educated middle class(radical Islam is not a movement of illiterate peasants pissed off at modernity, but western-educated, middle class intellectuals who feel betrayed or who have rejected western secularism after seeing it in action).
If you really want, but I suspect you won’t bother, I’d recommend reading the Prophet and the Pharaoh to compare and contrast the rises and interactions Nasser and Sayyid Qutb.
Also, I’d recommend, though it’s been a while since I’ve read it, Emmanuel Sivan’s Radical Islam.
He’s not using the Afrikaans word “Kaffir” which is the South African equivalent of “nigger”, but he’s using the Arab term “Kaffir”(unbeliever) though he’s apparently too dumb to realize that Muslims who use the term “unbeliever” would never says “Kaffirs” but “Kuffar”(sometimes transliterated differently).
It is an extremely nasty word.
Ironically enough, the Quran and various Hadiths(or ahadith if you want to be technical) make it clear that Jews and Christians aren’t “unbelievers” and claiming they are so is blasphemy since they do believe in and worship Allah. They just, from the Muslim POV, don’t realize their religions have been abrogated.
Despite this, Muslims who still use the term today, regularly use it to refer to Jews and Christians.