# The Fantastic Four: First Steps - pre-release discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [February 4, 2025, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874 "2025-02-04T16:00:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874/181 "2025-06-26T17:45:56Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It’s what Marvel has almost always been. In the comics, yes. Not in film though. I don’t think they had any film crossovers before that. There was no X-Men/Blade/Spider-Man mingling for example, but they were also from different studios (Fox, New Line, and Sony Pictures respectively). > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Yea, I remember how impressed I was when the X men showed up to fight Thanos. Hasn’t happened yet, but that sort of thing is planned now that Disney has the Fox stuff. And they did get Spider-Man to fight Thanos despite originally being a Sony property. So far the ultimate crossover has been in _Deadpool and Wolverine_. There you have the X-Men, Avengers, Fantastic Four (Johnny Storm at least) and Blade all in one film. They even brought in Elektra from those awful films. It took them a while to get the rights all squared away, but we get to benefit from Disney’s ridiculous power in order to cameo the crap out of a movie. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874/182 "2025-06-26T18:05:57Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I don’t think they had any film crossovers before that. Do TV movies count? [![](https://www.joblo.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/hulk-thor-3.jpg) ](https://www.joblo.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/hulk-thor-3.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874/183 "2025-06-26T18:06:31Z")
Yeah Kang Poochied back to his home planet because of the actor’s troubles. The What If Cartoon implied that the team from that show (The Exiles?) defeated him off camera. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874/184 "2025-06-26T18:15:10Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Do TV movies count? I considered it, but that wasn’t the crossover of the Hulk/Thor/Daredevil TV or film series, because only Hulk had a series. They wanted to spin off something with Daredevil and/or Thor but it didn’t happen. It was a failed backdoor pilot. I still remember for a long time thinking it was cool we actually got _some_ kind of live action Daredevil and Thor, even if I had to wait until Netflix made a decent Daredevil, and we didn’t see a proper Thor (IMHO) until Hemsworth. (I try to forget the Ben Affleck debacle.) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874/185 "2025-06-26T18:19:41Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Yeah Kang Poochied back to his home planet because of the actor’s troubles. The What If Cartoon implied that the team from that show (The Exiles?) defeated him off camera. I thought it was the Loki show. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874/186 "2025-06-26T18:22:25Z")
And, as a huge Daredevil fan, I admit I peed myself a little at his appearance in _Spider-Man: No Way Home_. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874/187 "2025-06-26T18:22:43Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I considered it, but that wasn’t the crossover of the Hulk/Thor/Daredevil TV or film series, because only Hulk had a series. They wanted to spin off something with Daredevil and/or Thor but it didn’t happen. It was a failed backdoor pilot. Reasonable. How about cartoons, then? [![](https://legendary-digital-network-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/01142243/X-Men-Spider-Man-Crossover-episode.jpg) ](https://legendary-digital-network-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/01142243/X-Men-Spider-Man-Crossover-episode.jpg) This was a cross-over between the Spider-Man cartoon and the X-Men cartoon from the mid 90s. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874/188 "2025-06-26T18:23:36Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Reasonable. How about cartoons, then? Okay, that’s not fair. The 90s X-Men cartoon is its own level of awesomeness and it’s unfair to compare that to anything. 😜 (But that is a cool crossover, yes.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874/189 "2025-06-26T22:27:40Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > In the comics, yes. Not in film though. I don’t think they had any film crossovers before that. I remember way back when the writers could get a fanboy audience to Go Fucking Nuts by just having Val Kilmer ask: _“Where will you go? The circus must be halfway to Metropolis by now…”_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-pre-release-discussion/1013874.md?page=9)