asahi
September 16, 2017, 12:04pm
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I have to confess that I don’t know what a Juggalo is, and now I’m kind of scared to type it into Google. Is it like a gigolo, but worse?
Acsenray
September 16, 2017, 12:12pm
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It’s the fan club of Insane Clown Posse, which has become something of a community of its own, like the Deadheads.
Acsenray
September 16, 2017, 12:20pm
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Weekend Edition interviewed Nathan Rabin this morning to ask for a primer on the Juggalos — Juggalos: A Primer : NPR
DWMarch:
Resurrecting my old thread as the Juggalo March on Washington is happening TODAY!
Why Juggalos Are Marching on Washington
Apparently there is an alt-right march at the same time so let us hope no wigs get split!
GODddamn I love ICP and Juggalos!
Not really. Gigolos have sex.
Still, the FBI has fallen from the days when Hoover rushed to defend MLK and the FBI crushed the Klan in Mississippi. (I saw the documentary.)
SCAdian
September 16, 2017, 11:23pm
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So Juggalos are actually better, because they don’t have sex?
Wait until the FBI discovers the Browncoats. They are fans of criminal smugglers who aim to misbehave. Clearly a gang of dangerous miscreants.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WASHINGTON_PROTESTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-09-16-20-18-22
…both sides were dwarfed by the juggalos, as supporters of the rap group Insane Clown Posse are known. In front of the Lincoln Memorial, about 1,500 juggalos staged an all-day rally and concert to protest what they say is class-based discrimination by law enforcement.
A 2011 report by the Justice Department’s Gang Task Force labeled the juggalos, who favor extensive tattoos and outlandish face paint, a “loosely organized hybrid gang.” It’s the same classification used for overtly violent gangs such as the Bloods and the Crips.
The rap duo has developed an intensely devoted fan base over the course of a 25-year career, and its fans claim to be a nonviolent community. Protesters chanted “family!” as well as several obscene slogans aimed at the FBI.
One demonstrator, Matt Fratelli of Queens, New York, held up a sign that said “Judge me not by the color of my face paint.”
Fratelli, 27, said he worked for a government agency but didn’t want his superiors to know he was a juggalo for fear of discrimination.
“We’re a family, a large one. I’m here to march for my people,” Fratelli said.
Solid.
What the Fuck Happened at the Juggalo March on Washington over at VICE is a good rundown of the days events, with plenty of pictures. The author is also a part of the story, although in a much less gonzo way than IMO the subject matter warrants.
Juggalos have told me similar stories for years, which shocked me because I have seen no more drugs and violence at the Gathering of the Juggalos than I saw when David Guetta headlined Ultra in Miami in the mid-aughts. But this was the first time the FBI had labeled music fans a gang for having unpopular music taste. I couldn’t help but be pissed off and join the March.
Not a lot of unintended drama or anything, just folks trying to look out for themselves and each other:
When the show ended, clown lights spun on the trees lining the Washington Mall. I smiled. In the long, depressing year that is 2017, it was the first time I felt hope. Despite their tardiness, they came organized with clear objectives and peaceful ways to get their demands across. Juggalos presented a centrist, approachable message. They were shining a light on Washington, reminding people what it meant to be an American and how to fight for your first Amendment rights.
kayaker
September 19, 2017, 12:25pm
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Well, its clear from that video that they are definitely into trafficking illegal substances.
DWMarch:
Sorry, it has been a long time since I’ve been in this thread and I was surprised to see it pop back up. I don’t want to make any unfounded assertions in my threads and if I’m wrong on some point of law please fill me in. IIRC you are a lawyer in real life, am I correct?
I should clarify that I’m Canadian and the intricacies of these particular fates are meaningless to me in the long run except that I should remember not to wear my ICP shirts if I ever visit the US. Perhaps this is where my confusion regarding the laws surrounding this comes from. I am pretty sure in Canada you can have extra charges added in for committing a crime as a gang member versus doing the same thing as a regular citizen. I am pretty sure the US has similar legislation for terrorism - fire a gun inside a mall, get a mischief charge. Fire a gun inside a mall while screaming “Allahu Akbar” get thrown in Guantanamo (exaggeration for effect intentional). That’s what I am wondering about. If you get pulled over for a broken taillight and the American Lawman sees your Hatchetman tattoo and recognizes it as a “gang” symbol, are you then in extra trouble because of that? The cases ICP’s lawyers have presented seem to indicate that these Juggalo-Plaintiffs have suffered exactly that fate - extra hassle that they would not have suffered otherwise. It seems random and arbitrary and very much against the spirit if not the letter of the US Constitution. Is it a slippery slope or is it precedent?
Your original assertion was that ICP fans will receive greater sentences or additional charges for the same crimes, because they are now “gang members” committing crimes, rather than ordinary people doing so.
However, it was explained (at some length on page 2) that just being in a gang has no impact on charging or sentencing. It will get you hassled more by the police, but there is no crime of “theft while gang member” or “receiving stolen goods by gang member.”
Now, you may be charged as part of an ongoing criminal enterprise if you are, well, part of an ongoing criminal enterprise. But you don’t have to be a gang member for that, just someone participating in a series of crimes. You could have been part of a criminal enterprise with some of your neighbors, or coworkers, or a group of old ladies from the retirement home.
Well, people have lost jobs and custody of their children because of so-called “gang affiliation.” That is, their music fandom. I’m no ICP fan, but that certainly isn’t fair.
bobot
September 20, 2017, 9:27am
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"…One demonstrator, Matt Fratelli of Queens, New York, held up a sign that said “Judge me not by the color of my face paint.”
Fratelli, 27, said he worked for a government agency but didn’t want his superiors to know he was a juggalo for fear of discrimination."
It looks like the cover of Matt Fratelli from Queens is secure.
Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup:
Well, people have lost jobs and custody of their children because of so-called “gang affiliation.” That is, their music fandom. I’m no ICP fan, but that certainly isn’t fair.
Agreed. I was only taking issue with specific claims made by the OP. I actually like some of ICP’s music. Their fans, not so much.
I’m late to the party but regarding the OP: same thing happened to Fresno State Bulldogs when a gang decided they liked that name, colors and other imagery.
It doesn’t mean Fresno State fans are all gang members, it just means there is also gang activity using the same name and imagery.