# The Fetishization of Black Panther leaders in the black community. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 18, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402 "2016-02-18T02:16:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/21 "2016-02-20T09:58:09Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Or is he implying that it was ‘consensual’ even though Hemings was Jefferson’s slave. Slaves can consent to a whole, whole lot. If you don’t understand that, nothing here can help you. BTW, don’t consider this an answer to your question. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/22 "2016-02-20T10:00:39Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Is there evidence that he didn’t father children with her? I honestly hadn’t heard. Latest I read, there was some fuckup in the DNA analysis. It was more likely TJ’s uncle, something like that. No cite; didn’t care to get into the whole pissing match again, so, I didn’t save info. Also, could be his uncle, brother, nephew, cat, dunno… ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/23 "2016-02-20T10:01:45Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I’m thinking it may have something to do with the shape of their heads and the slopes of their brows. I have a number of theories that the OP might be interested in. Any theories on the cut of their jib? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/24 "2016-02-20T13:17:04Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > Latest I read, there was some fuckup in the DNA analysis. It was more likely TJ’s uncle, something like that. > > No cite; didn’t care to get into the whole pissing match again, so, I didn’t save info. Also, could be his uncle, brother, nephew, cat, dunno… Oh, so no vide nice at all. Monticello acknowledges Jefferson as the father of her children in their exhibits and there is wide consensus among historians that he was, yet people cling to this notion that he wasn’t, or if he was the father, that the relationship could some how be consensual. It’s almost like white Americans have fetishized the founding fathers. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/25 "2016-02-20T15:35:45Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Oh, so no vide nice at all. Monticello acknowledges Jefferson as the father of her children in their exhibits and there is wide consensus among historians that he was, yet people cling to this notion that he wasn’t, or if he was the father, that the relationship could some how be consensual. It’s almost like white Americans have fetishized the founding fathers. There ya go. It’s only in the first post. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/26 "2016-02-20T16:28:21Z")
It’s socially acceptable for all people in the US to fetishize other groups of people who have initiated much more violence (that we know of for sure) than the Black Panthers. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/27 "2016-02-20T21:05:31Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > There ya go. It’s only in the first post. > > 🙂 You introduce the idea that Jefferson is a rapist then immediately dismiss it to launch into some racist nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/28 "2016-02-20T22:14:55Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Got it: Black Panther leaders rape, founding fathers have meaningful relationships with 14 year old girls they own and who happen to be the half sisters of their wives. I’m sorry you were asking about the fetization of Black Panther leaders? First belly laugh of the day. Thanks. 😃 Back to lurking. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/29 "2016-02-20T22:22:44Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > You introduce the idea that Jefferson is a rapist then immediately dismiss it to launch into some racist nonsense. Not even close but thanks for playing ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/30 "2016-02-20T22:42:55Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Not even close but thanks for playing Out of curiosity how could a woman withdraw consent from a man who, literally, owns her? Jefferson could have her (or all her loved ones) literally beaten/worked to death at any time it pleased him; or have her sold to someone who would do so at their own privilege. That was her daily reality. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/31 "2016-02-20T22:51:09Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Out of curiosity how could a woman withdraw consent from a man who, literally, owns her? > > Jefferson could have her (or all her loved ones) literally beaten/worked to death at any time it pleased him; or have her sold to someone who would do so at their own privilege. That was her daily reality. I haven’t made that argument. I wasn’t thinking of Sally in the OP…Monk made a refutation and I haven’t responded in the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/32 "2016-02-20T23:20:41Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Isolated or is it something all humans do? So: do you have your answer? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/33 "2016-02-20T23:41:04Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > So: do you have your answer? Well…there’s a subargument to be made about the acts of those 200 years ago. And those 50 years ago. And the willful dismissal and turning a blind eye to a guy who flat out admitted (Eldridge Cleaver) to raping black women as practice and white women as insurrectionary acts. I’m not going to list all the stuff which Seale and Newton may or may not have done. After cursory research, if one where to ask I’d lean more towards Seale being a political prisoner and Newton being a POS. But at the end of the day…yes I’d say ALL “heroes” have have shady aspects in their lives. Ghandi, FDR, Malcolm X…etc… ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/34 "2016-02-21T01:27:22Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Not even close but thanks for playing Why did you even mention the Black Panthers? You could have asked about the fetishization of the rapist Thomas Jefferson without ever mentioning black people. Why didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2016, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/35 "2016-02-21T11:59:12Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > And the willful dismissal and turning a blind eye to a guy who flat out admitted (Eldridge Cleaver) to raping black women as practice and white women as insurrectionary acts. …and then renounced his former acts and reasoning by 1968… ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/36 "2016-02-21T14:38:16Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > …and then renounced his former acts and reasoning by 1968… And the assault and ambush of Oakland police officers resulting the death of Bobby Hutton? The stolen car ring in Algeria? The burglaries in 1988? Did he “renounce” them too? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/37 "2016-02-21T16:23:40Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > And the assault and ambush of Oakland police officers resulting the death of Bobby Hutton? The stolen car ring in Algeria? The burglaries in 1988? > > Did he “renounce” them too? The first, yes, he did. The second and third? I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402/38 "2016-02-21T17:36:43Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The first, yes, he did. The second and third? I don’t know. Ahh. Thanks for the info. And I give Cleaver credit for admitting this stuff too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fetishization-of-black-panther-leaders-in-the-black-community/746402.md?page=1)