# The Feud:  Axe to Grind by brujaja (game over)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [June 30, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436 "2009-06-30T02:17:56Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/61 "2009-07-03T02:58:30Z")

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1. Candy
2. Family Matters
3. Mall Cop
4. Socks
5. 5%
6. Solar
7. Overpopulation  
8.Gas
8. I did good
9. Jaywalking

#9 - I did good, I’m not doing good, etc. drives me nuts!  
It’s I did well!!

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**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/62 "2009-07-03T03:01:36Z")

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> [@Sparky812](#):
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> 1. Candy
> 2. Family Matters
> 3. Mall Cop
> 4. Socks
> 5. 5%
> 6. Solar
> 7. Overpopulation  
> 8.Gas
> 8. I did good
> 9. Jaywalking
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> #9 - I did good, I’m not doing good, etc. drives me nuts!  
> It’s I did well!!

Not putting a space in front of answer # 8 drives Reborn nuts.

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**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/63 "2009-07-03T03:15:43Z")

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> [@gonzomax](#):
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> You are correct on 10. If you bought a ticket and find you can not use it, you should be allowed to sell it. It is not any business of the law.

Wrong! It’s not illegal to sell your ticket at face value.  
“Scalping” is buying up good seats or tickets for sold out shows then selling them for a profit which is illegal, and rightly so.

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**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/64 "2009-07-03T03:17:37Z")

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> [@want2know](#):
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> 1. Nuculer

Dude, I think you mean Nucular!😃

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**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/65 "2009-07-03T04:20:59Z")

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> [@Sparky812](#):
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> Wrong! It’s not illegal to sell your ticket at face value.  
> “Scalping” is buying up good seats or tickets for sold out shows then selling them for a profit which is illegal, and rightly so.

Wrong. In Detroit you can be arrested for selling your tickets around the ball park. the price does not matter. If you sell for 1/2 ,you can still get arrested.

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**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/66 "2009-07-03T04:49:04Z")

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Wrong again! Come on man, this is The Straight Dope!  
Please Read…

> [@](#):
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> THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT)  
> Act 328 of 1931  
> 750.465 Sale of tickets for theatre, circus, athletic game, or place of public entertainment or amusement; requirements; prohibitions; penalty.
> 
> Sec. 465.
> 
> (1) The owner, lessee, operator, or manager of each theatre, circus, athletic grounds used for an athletic game, or place of public entertainment or amusement shall have printed on each ticket issued for admission to, or for a seat of, the theatre, circus, athletic grounds, or place of public entertainment or amusement, in conspicuous type, the price of the ticket, and the number on the seat when each seat is numbered. The owner, lessee, operator, or manager also shall print or endorse on the ticket the charge in excess of the box office price at which the ticket is sold if the ticket is purchased at a location other than the box office where the event occurs and the following statement: “This ticket may be purchased at the box office price without the surcharge by purchasing the ticket at the box office where the event is scheduled to occur.”
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> (2) A person owning, occupying, managing, or controlling a building, room, park or enclosure for the sale of tickets for a theatre, circus, athletic game, or place of public entertainment or amusement, who asks, demands, or receives from a person for the sale of the ticket to a theatre, circus, athletic grounds, or place of public entertainment or amusement, a price in excess of the general admission advertised or charged for the same privilege, or a person, who by himself or herself or his or her agent or employee, offers for sale upon a public place or thoroughfare, a ticket to a theatre, circus, athletic grounds, or place of public entertainment or amusement, for admission to, or for a seat or other privilege in a theatre, circus, athletic grounds, or place of public entertainment or amusement, at a price in excess of that demanded or received from the general public for the same privilege, or in excess of the advertised or printed rate, shall be punished as provided in subsection (6), except if the request, demand, or receipt is with the written permission of the owner, lessee, operator, or manager of the theatre, circus, athletic grounds, or place of public entertainment or amusement where the event occurs. If the owner, lessee, operator, or manager permits, in writing, a charge in excess of the box office price, the permission shall be limited to the sales of tickets at locations other than the box office where the event occurs.
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> (3) Except as provided in subsections (1) and (2), a person shall not establish an agency or suboffice for the sale of a seat ticket of admission to a theatre, circus, athletic grounds, or place of public entertainment or amusement at a price greater than the sale of a seat ticket at the box office of the theatre, circus, athletic grounds, place of public entertainment or amusement, or in excess of the advertised price of the seat ticket.
> 
> (4) Except as provided in subsections (1) and (2), the owner, lessee, operator, or occupant of a building, room, enclosure, or other place open to the public, who permits a person to sell or exhibit for sale in the building, room, enclosure, or other place open to the public, 1 or more tickets for a theatre, circus, athletic grounds, or place of public entertainment or amusement, for more than the price printed on the ticket, shall be liable and guilty equally as the person.
> 
> (5) If the owner, lessee, operator, or manager of a circus, theatre, athletic grounds, or place of public entertainment or amusement has sold a ticket or admission to a person, under restrictive conditions and at a less rate than the general admission charged, and whose name appears on the face of the ticket or is registered in the office of the owner, lessee, operator, or managers as the holder of the ticket and if it is printed on the face of the ticket that the ticket is nontransferable and sold only to the person whose name appears on the face of the ticket or is registered, the holder of the ticket shall not sell the ticket to another person, and a person selling the ticket shall be punished as provided in subsection (6).
> 
> (6) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.  
> History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931 ;-- CL 1948, 750.465 ;-- Am. 1979, Act 33, Imd. Eff. June 19, 1979

It seems the only tickets you can’t resell are ones given restrictive conditions by the event provider, such as non-transferrable or having your name on them, comps,etc..

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**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/67 "2009-07-03T04:58:45Z")

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[http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-750-465](http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-750-465)

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**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/68 "2009-07-03T10:55:18Z")

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1. Chocolate
2. Everybody Loves Raymond
3. The Breakup
4. Clingy anything
5. 15%
6. Solar
7. Human nature
8. Books
9. Loose instead of Lose
10. Loitering

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**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/69 "2009-07-03T14:22:49Z")

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> [@Sparky812](#):
>
> [http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-750-465](http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-750-465)

[Jury to hear Detroit cases on ticket scalping - mlive.com](http://blog.mlive.com/kzgazette/2007/10/jury_to_hear_detroit_cases_on.html) Selling them at any price within 500 feet of the park is against the law. Even selling at a loss will get you arrested.

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**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/70 "2009-07-03T16:52:53Z")

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> [@gonzomax](#):
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> [Jury to hear Detroit cases on ticket scalping - mlive.com](http://blog.mlive.com/kzgazette/2007/10/jury_to_hear_detroit_cases_on.html) Selling them at any price within 500 feet of the park is against the law. Even selling at a loss will get you arrested.

That article is from October 2007 and deals with a civil case in which a class action suit has been filed by people cited for violating a city ordinance that forbids selling tickets within 500 feet of entertainment venues in Detroit.  
It is not a criminal matter, no one was arrested, they were merely cited for violating the city ordinance which has been deemed unconstitutional.  
My link is state law dated this year 2009.  
Give up already.

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/71 "2009-07-04T15:54:50Z")

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I’m starting to score this one. See ya soon!

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/72 "2009-07-04T17:34:39Z")

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Whew! Lots of answers to this one. #7 was really hard for me.

1. Name something that you eat that has no real nutritional value.   
\*\*1. Candy 9

2. chips 9\*\*

3. Chocolate 3

4. soda/diet soda 3

5. cookies 2

6. Fritos 2

7. ice cream 2

8. Lettuce 2

9. popcorn 2

10. Beer 1

11. Cake 1

12. Celery 1

13. Cheetos 1

14. Cheez-Its 1

15. circus peanuts! 1

16. Coffee 1

17. corn 1

18. Cotton candy 1

19. donut 1

20. French fries 1

21. Jello 1

22. mushrooms 1

23. Pop Tarts 1

24. popsicles 1

25. Quaker Ranch Rice cake things 1

26. Name a TV show that you really hate.   
**2. American Idol 12**

27. Jon and Kate Plus Eight 3

28. Survivor 3

29. Everybody Loves Raymond 2

30. Nancy Grace’s show 2

31. Seinfeld 2

32. The O’Reilly Factor 2

33. 24 1

34. 90210 1

35. Barney 1

36. Dancing With the Stars 1

37. Deal or No Deal 1

38. Dr. Phil 1

39. Family Guy 1

40. Family Matters 1

41. Fear Factor 1

42. Fox News 1

43. Friends 1

44. Hannity 1

45. I Love New York 1

46. Oprah 1

47. Pushing Daisies 1

48. Rachael Ray 1

49. Real Housewives of whatever 1

50. Roseanne 1

51. SpongeBob 1

52. Teletubbies 1

53. The Chasers 1

54. The Hills 1

55. To Catch a Predator 1

56. Wife Swap 1

57. Name a “comedy” movie that isn’t funny.   
**3. Borat 4**

58. Dumb and Dumber 3

59. Napoleon Dynamite 3

60. American Pie 2

61. Dude, Where’s My Car 2

62. Mall Cop 2

63. The King of Comedy 2

64. Ace Ventura Pet Detective 1

65. Anything with Adam Sandler 1

66. Anything with Eddie Murphy in it 1

67. anything with Jeff Dunham 1

68. Austin Powers 1

69. Bachelor Party 1

70. Big Daddy 1

71. Billy Madison 1

72. Blazing Saddles 1

73. Blues Brothers 1

74. Deuce Bigalow 1

75. Elf 1

76. Encino Man 1

77. Gigli 1

78. History of the World: Part 1 1

79. Hot Rod 1

80. Hot Shots 1

81. Ishtar 1

82. Jackass 1

83. National Lampoon Vegas Vacation 1

84. Night at the Museum 1

85. Office Space 1

86. Robin Hood: Men in Tights 1

87. Student Bodies 1

88. The Breakup 1

89. The Cable Guy 1

90. the Honeymooners movie 1

91. The Mask 1

92. The Singing Detective 1

93. The Waterboy 1

94. There’s Something About Mary 1

95. Three Amigos 1

96. Name a kind of apparel that you hate.   
**4. Baggy pants 13**

97. Tie 6

98. Crocs 3

99. Ugg boots 3

100. low-rise jeans 2

101. suit 2

102. Baseball hats turned sideways 1

103. bell bottom jeans 1

104. body rings/piercings 1

105. Bras 1

106. Capri pants 1

107. Clingy anything 1

108. Corduroy Pants 1

109. Egg boiler 1

110. Giant sunglasses 1

111. Man-pris 1

112. Maxi dresses 1

113. Mesh shirts 1

114. Platform shoes 1

115. scarves 1

116. scratchy sweaters 1

117. shape-ware 1

118. Shoes 1

119. shorts 1

120. Socks 1

121. Track suits 1

122. Tube tops 1

123. During a half-hour TV program, what percentage of that time is okay to devote to commercials? (use multiples of 5 - 5%, 10%, etc.)   
**5. 5% 14**

124. 10% 13

125. 15% 8

126. 20% 6

127. 0% 4

128. 30% 3

129. 16% 1

130. 25% 1

131. Name a viable alternative energy source.   
**6. Solar 30**

132. Wind 7

133. geothermal 5

134. nuclear 4

135. Bio-Diesel 2

136. hydroelectric 2

137. What do you consider the single biggest problem in the world today? (one or two words is best.)   
**7. poverty 5**

138. greed 4

139. hunger 4

140. overpopulation 4

141. Terrorism 4

142. war 3

143. Economy 2

144. Energy 2

145. Health care 2

146. human nature 2

147. Racism 2

148. Bigotry 1

149. Environment 1

150. fundamentalism 1

151. Global Warming 1

152. ideological education 1

153. Illiteracy 1

154. Lack of education 1

155. Monotheism 1

156. Non-fair trade 1

157. Pollution 1

158. Religious intolerance 1

159. Stupidity 1

160. superstition 1

161. Taxes 1

162. Unequal wealth distribution 1

163. Yapping 1

164. What is the most overpriced commodity that you buy regularly? (Thing. Not a service.)   
**8. Gas 12**

165. coffee 5

166. bottled water 4

167. Cigarettes 4

168. food 4

169. alcohol/beer 3

170. milk 3

171. Greeting cards 2

172. Nothing 2

173. Soft drinks 2

174. Books 1

175. Chocolate 1

176. Clothing 1

177. Hair gel 1

178. Laundry detergent 1

179. Lip gloss 1

180. Orange Juice 1

181. Printer ink 1

182. Razor blades 1

183. Name a common grammatical, spelling, punctuation, etc. error that drives you up the wall.   
**9. it’s/its 8**

184. loose/lose 6

185. They’re/Their/There 6

186. misuse of apostrophes 4

187. You’re/your 4

188. Definitely/definitely 2

189. Less/fewer 2

190. Modifying the word “unique” 2

191. a lot/a lot 1

192. acronyms 1

193. Breaks/brakes 1

194. for all intensive purposes 1

195. Gandhi/Ghandi 1

196. Grammar rules that change 1

197. I “could” care less 1

198. I did good/well 1

199. If I would have 1

200. Licence 1

201. literally as an intensifier 1

202. no capitalization 1

203. Nucular/nuclear 1

204. okthxbie 1

205. plural’s 1

206. separate/seperate 1

207. Name a bogus, yet ticketable, (legal) offense.   
**10. Jaywalking 23**

208. Not wearing a seatbelt 6

209. Possession of marijuana 5

210. Speeding 3

211. Being ticketed for public intoxication while in a bar. 1

212. broken taillight 1

213. Disturbing the Peace 1

214. expired registration 1

215. Failure to wear a motorcycle helmet 1

216. Loitering 1

217. no headlight on your bike 1

218. open container 1

219. Parking on Revere Beach after 10pm 1

220. pass 1

221. Running a stop sign 1

222. ticket scalping 1

223. Tickets issued by traffic light cameras 1

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/73 "2009-07-04T17:43:44Z")

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And the winner is… **Baker**!!! Good going! \*\*Baker got \*\* 6/10 top answers. Very good! This was a tough one. Perfect score was 266.00.

Thanks everyone! Thanks, **Brujaja**!

I hope everyone has a happy and safe 4th of July. (Even you furriners! 😉 ) I’ll get another one up this weekend, or feel free if you want to start one!

\*\*1. Baker 212.00 \*\*  
2. swampbear 204.00  
3. labtrash 202.00  
4. VanLandry 192.00  
5. Sparky812 188.00  
6. twickster 186.00  
7. Sigmagirl 184.00  
8. Ellen Cherry 182.00  
9. 42fish 180.00  
10. gonzomax 178.00  
10. Cunctator 178.00  
12. Elendil’s Heir 176.00  
12. ClintPhoenix 176.00  
14. Avarie537 174.00  
15. Really Not All That Bright 172.00  
16. dwc1970 170.00  
17. Freudian Slit 168.00  
18. winterhawk11 166.00  
18. anyrose 166.00  
18. want2know 166.00  
21. RachelChristine 162.00  
22. Tengu 154.00  
23. ArchiveGuy 150.00  
24. HongKongFooey 148.00  
25. Simmerdown 134.00  
26. zamboniracer 130.00  
27. WormTheRed 124.00  
28. AuntiePam 122.00  
29. Kobal2 116.00  
30. brujaja 110.00  
30. jasonh300 110.00  
32. notfrommensa 106.00  
33. Gala Matrix Fire 102.00  
34. Larry Borgia 100.00  
35. Mahaloth 98.00  
35. DfrntBreign 98.00  
37. Kingspades 96.00  
37. kaylasdad99 96.00  
39. Little Nemo 92.00  
40. ShibbOleth 80.00  
41. Chronos 78.00  
42. MOIDALIZE 76.00  
43. LateComer 74.00  
43. Thudlow Boink 74.00  
45. NDP 68.00  
46. Sternvogel 60.00  
47. cmkeller 58.00  
48. El\_Kabong 56.00  
49. bibliophage 48.00  
50. Redwing 42.00

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**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/74 "2009-07-04T18:03:35Z")

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> [@Rebo](#):
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> 1. Name a kind of apparel that you hate.
> 
> 2. Egg boiler 1

snicker, Imagining WormtheRed wearing an egg boiler, snicker. I guess it is ture that the hot new clothing trends start in Scandinavia.

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**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/75 "2009-07-04T18:08:01Z")

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But WTR beat me as well as most of the other players.

Good job Rebo, this one had to be tough to score.

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**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/76 "2009-07-04T18:19:22Z")

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Wow… Top half. Apparently my idiosyncrasies aren’t nearly as idiosyncratic as I thought.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/77 "2009-07-04T18:37:56Z")

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12th again? Wow - a lot better than I thought!

Thanks for another great Feud.

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/78 "2009-07-04T18:54:11Z")

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Wohhooo! I totally beat almost more than half of the pack.

I rule!

I didn’t beat **Gonzo** , but I can’t have everything now, can I?

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**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/79 "2009-07-04T19:10:01Z")

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Another ho hum top 10 finish with Worm between my toes soothing the burning of my athletes feet . Worm is good for fungus. If I wear an egg boiler will it help my athletes feet?

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**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-axe-to-grind-by-brujaja-game-over/501436/80 "2009-07-04T19:15:29Z")

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Whoohoo, seventeen! In your face, number eighteen!

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