# The Feud: Challenging Words by Le Ministre de l'au-delà \[Game Over\]

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [May 11, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518 "2011-05-11T14:26:21Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/41 "2011-05-12T03:00:46Z")

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1. weird

2. branch

3. begins

4. eunoia

5. rhythm

6. noon

7. colour/color

8. bass

9. drawer

10. esne

11. Had to really think about that one!

12. Hope people take this to mean “every letter a vowel except one”, as opposed to “only one of the consonants used, but repeatedly”, not that there are many of those either

13. Assuming this is the one the creator (a musician) has in mind 😃

14. I think this answer should be counted the same as “reward”, as each has the same sequence, and the same should be true for “stressed-desserts”, “gateman-nametag”, etc.

15. I doubt this will be a conch, as there are so many options

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/42 "2011-05-12T03:26:21Z")

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> [@Snickers](#):
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> Dammit! DQ’d already, probably - both Kinnikinnik and Etna are proper nouns. I beg the mercy of the court.

“Etna” has already been covered.

“Kinnikinnik” (also spelled “kinnikinnick” and similar variants) is a common noun when used to refer to a mixture of leaves and bark smoked by various American Indian tribes.

Incidentally, although you didn’t use it, I’ve noticed at least one misspelling repeated and thus scoring points – “abscess”, not “abcess”, is correct.

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**Author:** ![swampbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampbear/32/467_2.png) [@swampbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampbear)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/43 "2011-05-12T10:33:01Z")

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1. Weird
2. Strength
3. Almost
4. Ooecia
5. Rhythm
6. Radar
7. Color
8. Lead
9. Desserts
10. Olio

One of the hardest and most fun feuds yet! I pity **Rebo** when she scores this one. 😃

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**Author:** ![Aankh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@Aankh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aankh)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/44 "2011-05-12T11:27:17Z")

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1. weird
2. strength
3. biopsy
4. eunoia
5. syzygy
6. madam
7. theatre
8. resume
9. reward
10. epee  
I’ve saved #4 and #5 in my brains all these years for just this opportunity.  
#10 … it HAS to be ‘epee’! Will Shortz even mentioned it in the movie!

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**Author:** ![Aankh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@Aankh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aankh)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/45 "2011-05-12T11:30:05Z")

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Nooo!! No.5, I keel you! All of you will score a million points from it while I sit in my galactic corner sucking eggs. :mad:

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/46 "2011-05-12T11:38:38Z")

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> [@Aankh](#):
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> Nooo!! No.5, I keel you! All of you will score a million points from it while I sit in my galactic corner sucking eggs. :mad:

I’m sorry that there doesn’t seem to be a way to score for style and grace. Like kaylasdad99 up above with ‘unionized’ and many others, you have my admiration for finding something beyond the pale.

Rather like the times I’ve lost at Scrabble to people who kept putting three letter words in high-scoring places while I was finding three syllable beauties that just scored their face values…

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**Author:** ![Aankh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@Aankh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aankh)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/47 "2011-05-12T12:50:11Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> I’m sorry that there doesn’t seem to be a way to score for style and grace. Like kaylasdad99 up above with ‘unionized’ and many others, you have my admiration for finding something beyond the pale.
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> Rather like the times I’ve lost at Scrabble to people who kept putting three letter words in high-scoring places while I was finding three syllable beauties that just scored their face values…

Absolutely nothing to be sorry about. It IS The Feud after all.

Fabulous set of questions, by the way. Very few were easy or obvious.

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/48 "2011-05-12T12:52:33Z")

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I should have mentioned that I changed one of **Le Ministre de l’au-delà** ’s questions.

This is an excellent Feud! I wonder if any of the answers will even be 50% conch-y?

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**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/49 "2011-05-12T15:05:22Z")

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1. neighbor
2. strength
3. almost
4. mieaou
5. rhythm
6. dad
7. theater
8. sow
9. animal
10. agar

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**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/50 "2011-05-12T15:32:47Z")

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1. Neighbor
2. Rhythm
3. Accent
4. Aeolia
5. Rhythm
6. Madam
7. Colour
8. Desert
9. Desserts
10. Oleo

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**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/51 "2011-05-12T16:29:58Z")

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> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#):
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> I do not believe “neighbor” is a violation of the rule, as it sounds like “ay,” which is acceptable use of ‘e’ befor ‘i.’

What’s up with all the people answering “neighbor,” when the rule explicitly states “i before e / except after c / or when sounded as “a,” / as in **neighbor** and weigh”??

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**Author:** ![AppallingGael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@AppallingGael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AppallingGael)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/52 "2011-05-12T21:50:51Z")

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1. seize
2. strength
3. chintz
4. oiseau
5. rhythm
6. did
7. color
8. bow
9. derats
10. esne

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**Author:** ![Avarie537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/48db29/32.png) [@Avarie537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avarie537)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/53 "2011-05-12T23:11:07Z")

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1. neighbor
2. scrunch
3. biopsy
4. Aeolia
5. rhythm
6. poop
7. color
8. perfect
9. animal
10. ere

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**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/54 "2011-05-12T23:32:46Z")

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1. seize
2. strength
3. begins
4. eunoia
5. trysts
6. radar
7. labor/labour
8. read
9. reward
10. emu

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**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/55 "2011-05-13T00:17:43Z")

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I screwed up on 4 and put a word in with one vowel instead of one consonant. Could you change the question? Thank you .

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/56 "2011-05-13T11:41:30Z")

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**Ulf the Unwashed** is only #35. Lots of chatter in this Feud.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/57 "2011-05-13T15:44:55Z")

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> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#):
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> What’s up with all the people answering “neighbor,” when the rule explicitly states “i before e / except after c / or when sounded as “a,” / as in **neighbor** and weigh”??

I figured the question meant “words that don’t follow the ‘i before e except after c’ rule”.

Obviously neighbour and weigh are notable exceptions to this rule but the question was asking for words that are exceptions.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/58 "2011-05-13T15:46:02Z")

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> [@Rebo](#):
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> Lots of chatter in this Feud.

No, lots of research.

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**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/59 "2011-05-13T15:56:50Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> I figured the question meant “words that don’t follow the ‘i before e except after c’ rule”.
> 
> Obviously neighbour and weigh are notable exceptions to this rule but the question was asking for words that are exceptions.

The problem with your interpretation is the “…” after the “i before e except after c,” indicating (to me at least) that it was the entire rule that was meant.

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**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-challenging-words-by-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-game-over/581518/60 "2011-05-14T19:13:26Z")

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