# The Feud: "If I were President...." by Elendil's Heir **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 22, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147 "2010-06-22T18:43:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/61 "2010-06-24T15:29:02Z")
> [@MD12](#): > > …Their entire section on Jordan is about Queen Rania. I have no problem with that, although I might at least include a passing reference to the fact that her husband once had a walk-on appearance on _Star Trek: Voyager_: [http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Abdullah\_II\_King\_Of\_Jordan](http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Abdullah_II_King_Of_Jordan) ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/62 "2010-06-24T17:10:48Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The trust buster and creator of the national park system ,was a bad pres? No! I put him down as a great President, but the majority are choosing Lincoln. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/63 "2010-06-24T17:39:28Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > 1. Teddy Roosevelt > > Okay, after review I can see I’m really gonna tank on a couple of questions. But I really do agree with #1, and thought more people would agree. Teddy did quite well in both our Greatest President and Greatest American games, finishing ahead of FDR both times and I think pipping Washington in the Greatest American contest, but I imagine people here played the odds, and odds were it would be Lincoln or Washington. I don’t actually think W is the worst; the pre-Civil War presidents did more damage. But he was the way to bet. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/64 "2010-06-24T18:12:25Z")
1. George Washington 2. George W. Bush 3. history 4. energy 5. Rome 6. North Korea 7. Prime Rib 8. French President Sarkozy 9. Bachmann 10. lecturer For 8 - he’s got to bring Carla along. ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/65 "2010-06-24T18:18:31Z")
**muldoonthief** is #44. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/66 "2010-06-24T18:22:56Z")
> [@Rebo](#): > > **muldoonthief** is #44. Not for another 14 months! ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/67 "2010-06-24T18:43:25Z")
1. Lincoln 2. George W. Bush 3. servants 4. economy 5. Beijing 6. Iran 7. Lobster 8. Queen Elizabeth 9. Pelosi 10. ambassador ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/68 "2010-06-25T03:44:50Z")
I had a hard time picking just one country for question 6 - there are so many governments out there that the world would be better off without. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/69 "2010-06-25T20:46:41Z")
1. Kennedy 2. Bush 2 3. Maids 4. Rights 5. New York 6. N. Korea 7.Lobster 7. Italian Prime Minister 8. Boehner 9. retirement ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/70 "2010-06-25T20:51:44Z")
Dang it! I didn’t think of Bachmann. ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/71 "2010-06-26T17:45:23Z")
1. Washington 2. Bush Jr 3. Food 4. Medicine 5. London 6. Iran 7. Steak 8. UK PM 9. Lieberman 10. Peacebroker ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/72 "2010-06-26T17:58:50Z")
1. Reagan 2. G.W. Bush 3. history 4. economy 5. Morgantown, WV 6. North Korea 7. Lobster 8. Harper 9. Barney Frank 10. drinking ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/73 "2010-06-26T20:23:11Z")
1. Abraham Lincoln 2. George W. Bush 3. Food 4. Economy 5. Paris 6. North Korea 7. Steak 8. Queen Elizabeth II 9. Michelle Bachmann 10. Gigolo ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/74 "2010-06-26T21:02:56Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The trust buster and creator of the national park system ,was a bad pres? I apologize for the sidetrack, but according to James Bradley, author of _The Imperial Cruise,_ he was. Here’s the NYT Review [Link](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/19/books/19book.html). The book posits that Roosevelt was a racist who fought unnecessary wars, unwittingly bungled the US’ relationships with Japan, China and the Philippines, and who entered unconstitutional side agreements with those countries. This concludes the sidetrack. Back to the Feud! ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/75 "2010-06-28T08:37:58Z")
Jeez, can someone put this Feud out of its misery? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/76 "2010-06-28T12:28:15Z")
I believe we are stuck at 49! This is a bump for one more! ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/77 "2010-06-28T13:04:06Z")
I’ll get this scored today. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/78 "2010-06-28T17:19:26Z")
> [@](#): > > I apologize for the sidetrack, but according to James Bradley, author of The Imperial Cruise, he was. Here’s the NYT Review Link. The book posits that Roosevelt was a racist who fought unnecessary wars, unwittingly bungled the US’ relationships with Japan, China and the Philippines, and who entered unconstitutional side agreements with those countries. Roosevelt was not a racist by the standards of his time (albeit it was a pretty racist time). He was certainly less racist than people like William Jennings Bryan, Alton Parker, and Woodrow Wilson. As for his foreign policies, Roosevelt was openly an imperialist. He believed that Great Powers (like the United States) should make colonies out of small powers. He ran on that platform and he followed it when he became President. It may have been a bad idea but Roosevelt shouldn’t be singled out for having it. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/79 "2010-06-28T17:44:02Z")
1. George Washington 2. Richard Nixon 3. Food 4. Economy 5. New Orleans 6. Iran 7. Beef Wellington 8. David Cameron 9. None 10. Playboy Regarding number 9 - I believe in separation of powers and don’t think that the POTUS should mess around with democratically elected members of the Legislative branch, even if he has the ability to. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147/80 "2010-06-29T01:23:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Roosevelt was not a racist by the standards of his time (albeit it was a pretty racist time)… > > As for his foreign policies, Roosevelt was openly an imperialist… I urge anyone who’s at all interested in T.R. to read Edmund Morris’s _The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt_ (re: his pre-White House years) and _Theodore Rex_ (as President). Both are vivid, richly detailed, very readable accounts of T.R. and his times. T.R. was definitely progressive in his racial views, and was raked over the coals by Southerners for inviting Booker T. Washington to the White House. Later, when rednecks ran out a black postmistress T.R. had appointed to a small Alabama town, T.R. refused to appoint a replacement, closed the post office and forced the townsfolk to go get their mail 20-some miles away. T.R. was indeed an imperialist, but Morris makes the point that T.R. could have started any number of wars… and didn’t. He believed in, and practiced, a policy of showing the Big Stick but speaking softly. He deserved his Nobel Peace Prize for negotiating an end to the Russo-Japanese War. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-feud-if-i-were-president-by-elendils-heir/544147.md?page=5)