# The “fifth” this, the “fourth” that **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 19, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185 "2019-05-19T17:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/41 "2019-05-21T20:07:14Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > In basketball, you would sometimes hear a player referred to as the “sixth man” of a team - i.e. the best player to not be in the regular starting five. In fact, one of the NBA’s annual player awards is the [Sixth Man of the Year Award](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award). ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/42 "2019-05-21T20:08:47Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > I suggest Newman (!) was the fifth cast member of Seinfeld. Out of 173 episodes: Ruthie Cohen: 101 episodes. Newman: 45. Not even close. 😉 Larry David has 38 voice/acting appearances on the show, co-creator, frequent writer and was the basis for George. Some of his real life experiences were worked into the show. He’s the best candidate for 5th cast member. ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/43 "2019-05-21T20:12:13Z")
This one is super local so it will require some explaining. I used to work for Intel, the big semiconductor company. The numbering system they use to identify their buildings uses a two letter code to identify the campus (for example, SC for Santa Clara, CA, FM for Folsom, CA), and a number for each individual building on that campus. The campus in Folsom, where I worked, had seven buildings, designated FM1 through FM7. Any bar or restaurant in Folsom that becomes a popular after work hangout for Intel employees (the town’s largest employer) gets nicknamed FM8, at least among said employees. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/44 "2019-05-21T20:50:41Z")
> [@The\_Stafford\_Cripps](#): > > I saw in a museum the other day a poster for the opening ceremony for the first Tay Bridge in 1878. It was about 2 miles long and would have been amongst the longest bridges in the world at the time. > > Weirdly the poster described the bridge as the “9th wonder of the world”. I’ve no idea what they regarded as the 8th wonder (by which I mean I haven’t bothered to research) but I suspect that it was something that was far more specific to the 1870s than people realised at the time. Did the poster mention that it collapsed in 1879 after 19 months of official service? There hadn’t been any reinforcing for wind. It was the longest bridge in the world when it was first completed, which would qualify it as a wonder. All 75 people on the train that was crossing it at the time of collapse were killed. The collapse was commemorated by what some people think is one of the worst poems ever written. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/45 "2019-05-21T20:53:09Z")
I have heard “Love thy neighbor as you would yourself” referred to as the Eleventh Commandment ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stafford\_Cripps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stafford_cripps/32/7167_2.png) [@The\_Stafford\_Cripps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stafford_Cripps)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/46 "2019-05-21T21:55:18Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Did the poster mention that it collapsed in 1879 after 19 months of official service? There hadn’t been any reinforcing for wind. The poster didn’t, because its creators couldn’t see into the future, and if they could it would have put a bit of a dampener on the bridge’s opening ceremony! But the museum was in Dundee, and the poster was part of a display about the disaster, alongside bits of the actual bridge and train. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/47 "2019-05-21T22:11:27Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > I have heard “Love thy neighbor as you would yourself” referred to as the Eleventh Commandment Much more often you will hear “Thou shalt not get caught” as the 11th commandment. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/48 "2019-05-21T22:13:30Z")
Phish fans often refer to their lighting designer Chris Kuroda as “CK5” because he is essentially a fifth member of the band. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/49 "2019-05-21T22:19:12Z")
> [@The\_Stafford\_Cripps](#): > > The poster didn’t, because its creators couldn’t see into the future, and if they could it would have put a bit of a dampener on the bridge’s opening ceremony! > > But the museum was in Dundee, and the poster was part of a display about the disaster, alongside bits of the actual bridge and train. :smack: Sorry, I somehow slid over the opening ceremony part. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/50 "2019-05-21T22:32:08Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Out of 173 episodes: > > Ruthie Cohen: 101 episodes. > Newman: 45. > > Not even close. 😉 > > Larry David has 38 voice/acting appearances on the show, co-creator, frequent writer and was the basis for George. Some of his real life experiences were worked into the show. He’s the best candidate for 5th cast member. Most of Ms Cohen’s appearances were as an extra, the cashier in the coffee shop. I am not sure that counts. As for Larry David, he might have a claim to be the 5th cast member, but I stand by Newman as the fifth character. ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/51 "2019-05-21T23:02:48Z")
Brahms’s Symphony No. 1 is sometimes called “Beethoven’s Tenth”. ---
**Author:** ![Annoying\_Buzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Annoying\_Buzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoying_Buzz)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/52 "2019-05-22T02:39:07Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Much more often you will hear “Thou shalt not get caught” as the 11th commandment. In the Reagan era, it became “thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican”, in other words, ‘knock off the infighting and focus on the other side’. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/53 "2019-05-22T05:25:57Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > And bowling has the [11th Frame](https://www.11thframebarandgrille.com/) Yeah well, that’s just like your opinion, man. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/54 "2019-05-22T13:07:28Z")
Stewart was definitely the fifth Big Bang male cast member. ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/55 "2019-05-22T16:22:34Z")
> [@Dag Otto](#): > > John Cairncross was the Fifth Man in the KGB British spy ring. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Vienna had a third man. Of course, the accomplice of Burgess and Maclean, who turned out to be Philby, was nicknamed ‘The Third Man’ after the film. It then didn’t take much imagination for the next two to be called ‘The Fourth Man’ and ‘The Fifth Man’. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/56 "2019-05-22T16:29:30Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Much more often you will hear “Thou shalt not get caught” as the 11th commandment. They way I heard the 11th Commandment was, “Thou shalt not schtup a shiksa.” ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/57 "2019-05-22T17:04:43Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > A group that undermines a larger group is called a [Fifth Column](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column), usually in favor of an enemy group or nation. It was claimed that Japanese Americans living in Hawaii helped the Japanese. That expression had its [origin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column#Origin) in the Spanish Civil War, it predates WWII by a few years (the expression was first used in 1936). The expression spread pretty quickly considering it was pre-internet days. General Mola must have hit a powerful nerve. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/58 "2019-05-24T02:20:48Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Eighth Day, referring to the creation myth of seven days, and what happened after… The Beatles also sang about “eight days a week.” > [@Spiderman](#): > > The 51[sup]st[/sup] state. It’s definitely a thing: [51st state - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state) My favorite: a reunited, pro-US Vietnam in _Watchmen_. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/59 "2019-05-24T19:29:20Z")
There are some who call Donald Trump “the 45th President” Nobody’s mentioned Sixth Sense yet. Didn’t see that one coming did ya! ---
**Author:** ![TSBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@TSBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TSBG)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185/60 "2019-05-24T19:38:01Z")
In this film > **[\[pelada \]](http://www.pelada-movie.com/)** > > Far away from the bright lights and manicured fields, there is another side of soccer. some ordinary Brazilians refer to the “third half” of their weekly casual game–meaning the post-match beer drinking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fifth-this-the-fourth-that/834185.md?page=4)