The final presidential debate: 10/22/12

I’ll try NOT to attack some of you guys too much, but I remember lurking at the first debate thread and seeing that some of you wanted to change your vote based on the first debate alone.

Or am I wrong?

Obama knew what he was doing. Give the man some credit.

  1. I don’t remember anything like that in the first thread.
  2. Are you suggesting Obama lost the first debate on purpose?

Don’t be silly. Historians can’t afford shoes.

Is this supposed to discourage Democrats from voting, or Republicans? :confused:

I saw the grand majority of us admitting Obama lost, no one said anything about changing their vote.

I read The New York Times today as I do every day. The lede story on the front page was, of course, about the debate. I noticed two things. One, Romney was ‘all over the place’, quibbiling, taking cheap shots, being overly simplistic. Two, Obama was focused, from the beginning of the debate - “strong steady leadership, not wrong and reckless leadership that’s all over the map”. The “all over the map” comment lit up on Twitter. As for Romney, the “go after the bad guys” comment lit up on Twitter for him. “Go after the bad guys” is something I would expect to hear from George W. Bush not necessarily from Mitt Romney.

Another article mentioned Karl Rove’s comment, “I have no interest in participating in this silly exercise.” George W. Bush is the elephant in the room. Obama ended the Iraq War. People like Karl Rove have nothing to say except things like “I have no interest in participating in this silly exercise.” That comment is probably going to light up on Twitter also.

Overall, an interesting 24-news cycle so far today.

He chokes under pressure, which is a quality we like in our President. Not.

I’ve been sitting in an airport all morning with CNN on the TVs. They’ve had the “bayonet and horses” clip on a near-constant loop. Love it or hate it, this line is what the media narrative is going to be for the next week, and it makes Romney look like a fool.

I know the base loved it and the Republicans are falling all over themselves to call it unpresidential/untrue/etc, but when this is what the average American sees over and over and over, the underlying message is going to stick-- Romney’s clueless in the realm of Commander-in-Chiefdom.

Will it matter on election day? I don’t know, but this is gonna stick to the Rom.

Really? Because mine pings on the most colorful, trivial shit:

“Horses and Bayonets” = Battle of Beersheba

He’s speaking for Tea Party Republicans that are grouchy about Romney running to the middle and agreeing with Obama’s policies.

That is great because with Monday Night Football and the World Series, some Americans did not watch the debates like Dopers who posted in this thread.

Other than CNN, it will be interesting to see whether the evening news - ABC, NBC, CBS - show the “horses and bayonets” clip.

Yeah, well, I live in Texas and I’m still voting for Obama. Maybe you could explain in your own words what reason, related to foreign policy, makes a vote for Romney preferable, other than, " a bunch of random people plan to do so"?

I do have to give credit to Romney. When he said that we’re now four years closer to an Iranian nuclear weapon than when Obama took office, Romney was declaring to the world that he understood the concept of linear time.

Anyone who’s not on board with the spin is a danger to the country.

This kept cracking me up. No matter what Obama did over the last four years, other than obliterating Iran from the map, it was always going to be four years closer to a nuclear bomb in 2012. What, would Romney have made the year 2008 stick around forever?

I also am four years closer to a nuclear weapon.

That doesn’t even make any sense.

Look, the World Series is kinda like Schroedinger’s Cat. The waveform doesn’t collapse into an actual outcome until the Dodgers are celebrating with the Championship trophy. When the Dodgers aren’t even scheduled to play in it, it’s not REALLY a World Series; it’s just an empty box.

<Insert Obama’s “1980s’ foreign policy, 1950s’ social policy, 1920s’ economic policy” joke here>

And judging by your user name, you’ve already got a delivery system for it.

Missile gap! Missile gap!

Paradoxically, that will make for an Obama win. Because now the President is going to New Hamshire this Saturday so that there won’t be an “Al Gore problem”. Al Gore underestimated George W. Bush. Barack Obama cannot underestimate Mitt Romney. With this strategy, what will happen on Election Day is either the President will take in alot of electoral votes or the President will just make it past the 270 electoral votes.

Bottom line: The President can win it, but he has to fight for it.

After the first debate someone on the radio described the look as “somewhere between a man trying to avoid a really bad smell, and a man desperately trying to resist the urge to tell you how much better his car is than yours.”