# The final show aside, what was the absolute worst thing any of the Seinfeld crew did? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 11, 2010, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757 "2010-06-11T04:03:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/21 "2010-06-11T18:21:53Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > Most of the stuff that happened to Susan was accidental, but this was something that George purposefully did, out of spite. In this case, though, I consider it justifiable and completely proportional revenge for wrecking his relationship for no good reason. I was cheering when he put on the lobster bib. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/22 "2010-06-11T18:52:10Z")
> [@Gustav](#): > > It’s small-scale so not really that evil per se, but Jerry knocking down an old lady, stealing her bread and running off shouting “shut up you old bag” has to rank pretty high up there. It’s just so straight up villainous. Not that I’m approving of the action but Jerry was in desperate straights and the old lady was being completely unreasonable. I think Jerry even offered her _$100 for the one loaf_. She could’ve gone back to the bakery the next day and gotten _ten loaves_ if she wanted. As for the worst thing any of them did, I have to go along with their reaction to Susan’s death. I realize none of them really liked her (and she didn’t like them) but that was cold. ---
**Author:** ![Gustav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gustav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gustav)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/23 "2010-06-11T19:03:53Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > Not that I’m approving of the action but Jerry was in desperate straights and the old lady was being completely unreasonable. I think Jerry even offered her _$100 for the one loaf_. She could’ve gone back to the bakery the next day and gotten _ten loaves_ if she wanted. Dire straights? As best I can remember, George’s parents had acted like jackasses and taken home a loaf of bread they brought to a dinner. Instead of just apologizing for his parent’s, he concocts a scheme to divert the parents while smuggling a new loaf into the house before they notice. That’s… not really my idea of dire. Unless I’m misremember something. ---
**Author:** ![Fat\_Chance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8baadc/32.png) [@Fat\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fat_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/24 "2010-06-11T19:12:13Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > They got Babu deported back to Pakistan. That part always annoys me. Perhaps Babu could be upset at all of Jerry’s bad business suggestions, but how is it Jerry’s fault that the mailman delivered Babu’s renewal form to the wrong mailbox and Jerry was traveling so didn’t get it in time? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/25 "2010-06-11T19:13:27Z")
> [@multimediac17](#): > > her father was outed as a homosexual Not that there’s anything wrong with that. > [@acsenray](#): > > In my view, you’ve got it all wrong. George wasn’t apathetic. He was _jubilant_ – Susan’s accidental death was the best outcome for his situation – and he was suppressing any overt demonstration of his joy. Summer of George! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/26 "2010-06-11T19:14:20Z")
I daresay misappropriating a mail truck to take advantage of Michigan’s ten-cent aluminum deposit probably comprised a federal offense. ---
**Author:** ![Gustav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gustav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gustav)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/27 "2010-06-11T19:14:27Z")
> [@Fat\_Chance](#): > > That part always annoys me. Perhaps Babu could be upset at all of Jerry’s bad business suggestions, but how is it Jerry’s fault that the mailman delivered Babu’s renewal form to the wrong mailbox and Jerry was traveling so didn’t get it in time? Agreed. Babu is an ungrateful jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/28 "2010-06-11T19:18:02Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Besides the final show,… What do you mean “besides the final show”? Staying out of that guy’s life was the _best_ thing any of them ever did. Not realizing that fact is why the last episode sucked. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/29 "2010-06-11T19:23:58Z")
Susan was the strangest character on the show to me. I think that for the most part, one of the great things about the show were the characters that popped up to support the main 4. George’s parents, Jerry’s parents, David Puddy, Kruger, J. Peterman, etc. Susan was not attractive, not funny, had a dead, monotone voice, and in my opinion was fairly asexual. The fact that she was on the show for so long mystifies me to this day. Her parents were great characters, but Susan (don’t know her real name) was a bad casting decision. But George’s reaction to her death wasn’t funny. It was despicable. And the reactions of the other 3 were also bizarre. They could have cared less. I guess that was in keeping with the underlying character of each person on the show, which is why the end episode was an interesting attempt to point out the shallowness of each of the characters. I know George was supposed to be Larry David in real life, but Jason Alexander strikes me as an annoying, arrogant little shit. Or maybe he just plays that character very well. But his appearances on Curb Your Enthusiasm are supposed to be _ **him** _, and he still comes off as a tool. I still watch the show when I can, though! Last night, I got to see Susan’s mother say to Frank Costanza at dinner “something’s missing alright.”, one of my most used lines from Seinfeld. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/30 "2010-06-11T19:45:29Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > In my view, you’ve got it all wrong. George wasn’t apathetic. He was _jubilant_ – Susan’s accidental death was the best outcome for his situation – and he was suppressing any overt demonstration of his joy. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen the episode. You may be right. Didn’t he immediately go out and ask out…who was that actress chick? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/31 "2010-06-11T19:48:48Z")
Marissa Tomei. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/32 "2010-06-11T19:55:56Z")
I thought he went out with Marisa Tomei before Susan died. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/33 "2010-06-11T20:05:27Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > I know George was supposed to be Larry David in real life That’s way too literal an interpretation. George was in a sense Larry David’s avatar, but to say that it was him “in real life” is not true. > [@](#): > > , but Jason Alexander strikes me as an annoying, arrogant little shit. Or maybe he just plays that character very well. But his appearances on Curb Your Enthusiasm are supposed to be _ **him** _, and he still comes off as a tool. Jason Alexander is supposed to be himself in _Curb Your Enthusiasm_ in the same sense that Larry David, Ted Danson, and all the others are supposed to be themselves. That is, not really. > [@Kyla](#): > > It’s been a long time since I’ve seen the episode. You may be right. Didn’t he immediately go out and ask out…who was that actress chick? Marissa Tomei. ---
**Author:** ![Spectralist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Spectralist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectralist)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/34 "2010-06-11T20:12:10Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > But George’s reaction to her death wasn’t funny. It was despicable. And the reactions of the other 3 were also bizarre. I found it funny. Especially Elaine’s “I’m… sorry?” reaction. > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I thought he went out with Marisa Tomei before Susan died. He did but she dumped him when he told her he was engaged. Then it showed him phoning her at the end of the episode where Susan died. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/35 "2010-06-11T20:13:14Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I thought he went out with Marisa Tomei before Susan died. He called her after Susan died and tried to set up a date. It couldn’t be for the next day, with the funeral and all, but maybe afterward- - and she hung up on him. ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/36 "2010-06-11T21:25:23Z")
Didn’t Elaine hire a hit man to kill a dog? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/37 "2010-06-11T21:35:04Z")
She hired Newman and Kramer to kidnap the dog. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/38 "2010-06-11T21:43:05Z")
[QUOTE=gustav] Dire straights? As best I can remember, George’s parents had acted like jackasses and taken home a loaf of bread they brought to a dinner. Instead of just apologizing for his parent’s, he concocts a scheme to divert the parents while smuggling a new loaf into the house before they notice. That’s… not really my idea of dire. Unless I’m misremember something. [/QUOTE] Apologizing for your parents’ behavior would be something many people would do but don’t forget this is _George_ we’re talking about. George thought (correctly as it turned out) that Susan’s parents didn’t like him and he didn’t want to leave himself in an awkward situation that could’ve alienated him from them any further. Also, George was still so afraid of his parents that he lacked the will to apologize for them since they’d inevitably find out he “badmouthed” them behind their backs. As for Jerry, he was George’s best friend and had to help get him out his jam. That’s what best friends do. (And $100 for a $9 loaf is still a helluva deal. As I said earlier, the old lady could’ve gone back the following day and got 10 or 11 loaves.) > [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Susan was the strangest character on the show to me. I think that for the most part, one of the great things about the show were the characters that popped up to support the main 4. George’s parents, Jerry’s parents, David Puddy, Kruger, J. Peterman, etc. Susan was not attractive, not funny, had a dead, monotone voice, and in my opinion was fairly asexual. The fact that she was on the show for so long mystifies me to this day. Her parents were great characters, but Susan (don’t know her real name) was a bad casting decision. I don’t know if it was a bad casting so much as the character simply being a bland “normal” person surrounded by comic neurotics (i.e., a foil). She wasn’t supposed to be one of “funny” ones. In fact, you can argue that like Frank Grimes on “The Simpsons”, Susan in the end existed to demonstrate what likely would happen to a “real-life” person in the “Seinfeld” universe. ---
**Author:** ![Markxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/39 "2010-06-11T22:15:36Z")
Usually the Seinfeld gang gets paid back when the are rude and uncaring. Jerry gets illegal cable, but the installer gets mad and breaks the TV. George doesn’t care when Susan dies, then is forced to find out what he would’ve got from marrying her, he no longer gets, AND THEN has to be the one to distribute it. Elaine has the dog kidnapped, but like the proverbial cat it just comes back. Kramer steals lobster and the guy rats him out. Jerry steals a loaf of rye and the lady is a member of the board which impeaches his father. (In that case the lady got what she deserved. He _did_ offer her $50 for it :)) I didn’t think George’s reaction to Susan’s death was odd. He obviously didn’t love her. He didn’t even care for her. Sure he lived with her but that was all fake. If a stranger died, you’d show just as much emotion as George, and that was the point, Susan and George were just strangers to each other. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757/40 "2010-06-12T03:25:18Z")
> [@Markxxx](#): > > Jerry steals a loaf of rye and the lady is a member of the board which impeaches his father. (In that case the lady got what she deserved. He _did_ offer her $50 for it :)) I stand corrected. It was $50 rather than $100. That was still enough for five loaves with $5 left over. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-show-aside-what-was-the-absolute-worst-thing-any-of-the-seinfeld-crew-did/542757.md?page=3)