# The Final Solution for Iraq is the same as for El Salvador. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2005, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838 "2005-01-09T04:11:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/41 "2005-01-10T08:15:15Z")
I love the plan to use the Kurds. This will surely endear them to Turkey and other governments they are seeking representation in and will forward their cause to create their own nation or at least be a recognized and empowered group in the countries they now live in. Kurdish deathsquads for America will surely make this rather badly treated minority heros in the region. Because we, of course, care about liberating opressed people. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/42 "2005-01-10T13:52:45Z")
I’m sure their deathsquads will be as effective as their poilce, which is zero. Using the Kurds is the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard of. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/43 "2005-01-10T22:07:39Z")
I find it interesting that it always takes a couple of days for the right-wingers to regroup and formulate a defense of the administration’s latest bit of gag-reflex-inducing idiocy. I wonder why that is. not really I don’t ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/44 "2005-01-10T22:28:43Z")
Everyone is over at the other thread. I get the sense that you’re the last one to show up for the party. > **[The "Salvador Option" for the Iraq insurgency: Train death squads to kill the...](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=296099)** > > Now the Pentagon is thinking of dealing with the Iraqi insurgents through the “Salvador Option”: Train special squads – the kind known as “death squads” back in the 1970s and '80s during El Salvador’s civil war – to assassinate and/or kidnap the... ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/45 "2005-01-11T01:19:56Z")
No, I’ve been following that thread. The deafening absence of the Usual Suspects is pretty telling. Like I said. Give 'em a couple of days. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/46 "2005-01-11T01:59:31Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > No, I’ve been following that thread. The deafening absence of the Usual Suspects is pretty telling. > > Like I said. Give 'em a couple of days. They never really showed up in the thread about the Bush plan to lock people up for life without trial or representation. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/47 "2005-01-11T02:27:31Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well brer **Brutus** , I never had the illusion of being good with words (ask **EVE** ) > > I see you still have the illusion of having good replies, you will never learn… > > 10 years from now, I think an Iraqi-American doper will tell you here in the SDMB to stuff it. _Yawn_ its being considered, using _american soldiers_ against insurgent leaders and there lackeys, not unions, or democratic advancements, no criminal people who have no intention of letting the Iraqi people decide for themselves what they want. Just another useless attack on the administration, pointscoring at its worst. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/48 "2005-01-11T04:06:41Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Please. There is no attempt at debate in the OP. It was simply another venting of anti-Bushism (which I am very sympathetic to), but gone completely overboard. > > I have consistently opposed the war in Iraq, but there are a handful of reasons why this idea could be a good thing, provided that these militias do not end up doing the outrageous an unconcionable things that the Salvedorean death squads did. But the implication of the OP that this was the intent of the Administration – to form death squads to kill nuns and other innocents in Iraq – is beyond the pale. It’s so outrageous that it deserves comment. > > If anyone wants to open a GD thread on this, I’ll be sure to join in, but I’m not about to debate a serious issue in the Pit, especially since the emotions here are already at a fever pitch. Why do you see the suggestion as outrageous? Given the people involved and their track record, why do you think that paying others to kill to further US foreign policy is unlikely? It was SOP in South America. Saying “this idea could be a good thing, provided that these militias do not end up doing the outrageous an unconcionable things that the Salvedorean death squads did” is like saying that the fox in the henhouse may well do a lot of good if he doesn’t eat the hens. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/49 "2005-01-11T05:03:17Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > _Yawn_ its being considered, using _american soldiers_ against insurgent leaders and there lackeys, not unions, or democratic advancements, no criminal people who have no intention of letting the Iraqi people decide for themselves what they want. According to the OP’s cite, the plan is to train IRAQI squads, not to keep the job within the U.S. armed services. And if you don’t think this will simply lead to the Iraqi government using these squads to stifle legitimate dissent, you’re a fucking idiot. It’s happened EVERY OTHER TIME this has been tried, like in El Salvador. Or Honduras. It will happen this time. And the next, and the next, and the next. A fascist puppet government is well underway. Bet on it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/50 "2005-01-11T06:25:14Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > _Yawn_ its being considered, using _american soldiers_ against insurgent leaders and there lackeys, not unions, or democratic advancements, no criminal people who have no intention of letting the Iraqi people decide for themselves what they want. > > Just another useless attack on the administration, pointscoring at its worst. Dumbass, considering the OP grew up in El Salvador, I think he’s a leeeeetttle bit more qualified to speak on this than you. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/51 "2005-01-11T08:30:19Z")
So how many American heroes do we have who could pass as Iraqis? ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/52 "2005-01-11T16:09:26Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > According to the OP’s cite, the plan is to train IRAQI squads, not to keep the job within the U.S. armed services. > > And if you don’t think this will simply lead to the Iraqi government using these squads to stifle legitimate dissent, you’re a fucking idiot. It’s happened EVERY OTHER TIME this has been tried, like in El Salvador. Or Honduras. It will happen this time. And the next, and the next, and the next. > > A fascist puppet government is well underway. Bet on it. Yeah well, I’m much more optimistic, you’re just one of those fucking losers who thinks that the intentions of the United States is to rubber stamp its hegemony on everyone and everything. Legitimate dissent? The fuckers are shooting and killing innocents everyday, that isn’t legitimate dissent you dumb fuck, its outright terrorism. You’re the fucking idiot, I can’t believe how many people are trying to write off the Iraqis and its government before its even started, it sickens me and because I support the government and its fight there, I get stigmatized into having to feel guilty about it, even though its right. Seems to me people would rather see Iraq and its government completely destroyed to prove a point. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/53 "2005-01-11T18:55:42Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Yeah well, I’m much more optimistic, you’re just one of those fucking losers who thinks that the intentions of the United States is to rubber stamp its hegemony on everyone and everything. > > Legitimate dissent? The fuckers are shooting and killing innocents everyday, that isn’t legitimate dissent you dumb fuck, its outright terrorism. > > You’re the fucking idiot, I can’t believe how many people are trying to write off the Iraqis and its government before its even started, it sickens me and because I support the government and its fight there, I get stigmatized into having to feel guilty about it, even though its right. You are still a dumb fuck. The situation is changing in Iraq, I already mentioned that deserving targets will get hit first, but many reports I have seen, regarding Allawi, show to me that dissenters will be next. You are just suffering from the typical right wing syndrome of timeline trouble. That is: forgetting how we came here (idiocy and bad intelligence) and ignoring that we are talking about what will be coming next (with more idiocy) Of course, you are also conveniently ignoring that right now Americans are being cannon fodder to protect the contracts of Bush’s cronies. Even with all the bad things the USA did, I learned that dissenting voices were allowed here, that was one of the reasons why I decided to become a citizen, but IMHO the oath I took would be empty if I just shut up when irresponsible plans and analogies are considered and implemented. (Negroponte) Speaking of losers: I did work once testing components that did go on the Tomahawk missiles that kicked Sadam’s butt in the first Gulf War, back then it felt good to know many American soldiers did not have to die thanks to good planning. > [@](#): > > Seems to me people would rather see Iraq and its government completely destroyed to prove a point. We already proved that. :wally (and consider the wink off) And before your knee jerks: I am of the opinion that a monumental fuck up occurred when we did not start a pull out after Saddam was captured, the point then was proven. Unfortunately, another monumental fuckup occurred by disbanding the military in Iraq: by only taking out the leadership and concentrating in making sure WMD’s were not there (protecting America was the key… what? Stop laughing! Ok lets forget it!) we could have made the bigger point to the terrorists that we are not kidding about our security, and that we respected some sovereignty, only some pressure then was then needed to ensure a new government would have a better footing and recuperation and the oil should have remained in Iraqi hands, but then another error had to happen: big corporations had to control all that and get the profit of all this, so off of Iraq’s hand remains. One is tempted on blaming all of this on just stupidity of this administration, but I believe if an error fattens the pocket book of someone, we should expect the same error to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/54 "2005-01-11T19:10:00Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Legitimate dissent? The fuckers are shooting and killing innocents everyday, that isn’t legitimate dissent you dumb fuck, its outright terrorism. Can you read, you dumb, fucking idiot? He’s saying that the squads will be used to stifle legitimate dissent. That means people peacefully protesting and peacefully opposing the government. Why do we know this? Because that’s what happened in El Salvador and every other single place this was tried. Do you fucking know anything about history? > [@](#): > > You’re the fucking idiot, I can’t believe how many people are trying to write off the Iraqis and its government before its even started, it sickens me and because I support the government and its fight there, I get stigmatized into having to feel guilty about it, even though its right. You probably support the government there because you enjoy watching them kill brown people. I mean, hey, the more they kill there, the fewer there will be to move in near you, right? > [@](#): > > Seems to me people would rather see Iraq and its government completely destroyed to prove a point. No, we want a democratic government to succeed. Unfortunately, we know that every single thing this government has done since overthrowing Hussein has made a successful democratic government more and more unlikely. The difference between us is that you’d rather sit there and let this administration burn Iraq to the ground and slaughter their inhabitants than admit that they’ve completely and totally bungled this entire operation from start to finish. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/55 "2005-01-11T19:17:17Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > …You probably support the government there because you enjoy watching them kill brown people. I mean, hey, the more they kill there, the fewer there will be to move in near you, right?.. No fair. Pit or no Pit, no fair. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/56 "2005-01-11T19:32:03Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > You probably support the government there because you enjoy watching them kill brown people. I mean, hey, the more they kill there, the fewer there will be to move in near you, right? While I agree with everything else you say, especially on the dim-wittedness of this doper fellow, I have to complaint on this. My next to last remark on the OP is a reference to a phenomenon that redeems America in the end. (Unfortunately, that takes a long time) After a big fuck up, even the right wingers allow people from the then affected nation (who by that time are full of refugees and persecuted people) to then come to America, hence the Iraqi cuisine remark, (please try Salvadorian cuisine: some relatives have a restaurant in the US! 😉 ) of course, only if **Ryan\_Liam** would show the capacity of following an OP to the end, we would be sure if he indeed enjoys watching brown people be obliterated. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/57 "2005-01-11T20:06:28Z")
Oh, no, sorry, can’t deal with Middle Eastern cuisine, it makes me feel awful. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838/58 "2005-01-11T20:25:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No fair. Pit or no Pit, no fair. You’re right. I take it back and sincerely apologize. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-final-solution-for-iraq-is-the-same-as-for-el-salvador/283838.md?page=2)