# The fingerwaggin' BigT **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187 "2017-08-09T18:48:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/21 "2017-08-10T03:40:25Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What I’m not going to do is blow smoke up your asses My dreams are crushed. ☹ > [@](#): > > unless you have specific tips on how to come off better, The way you word your posts some times come off as if it is all about you instead of whatever topic is being discussed. For instance: > [@Demeaning post by IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demeaning-post-by-ivorytowerdenizen/793113/23): > > If you just wanted to say it was off topic, I wouldn’t have gotten upset. from this post: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20399571&postcount=23](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20399571&postcount=23) I’m pretty sure you have me on ignore but I thought I’d chime in anyways. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/22 "2017-08-10T04:10:25Z")
Oops. Forgot my new sig. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/23 "2017-08-10T04:25:42Z")
Isn’t that the first guitar riff everyone learns?..“Smooooke… up your asses!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/24 "2017-08-10T04:42:07Z")
I’ve really tried to give BigT a chance and read his posts, but by the second line my eyes glaze over, and I spin the mouse wheel in an effort to get those few lifeless seconds back. He just sucks the life out of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Trafalgar\_Laura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trafalgar_laura/32/2907_2.png) [@Trafalgar\_Laura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trafalgar_Laura)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/25 "2017-08-10T04:48:51Z")
I’ve never noticed BigT being one of the people who really derails a thread. I’ve seen quite a few situations where people derailed threads by threadshitting, too. Yeah, there’s some derailment sometimes when BigT comes along, but even then I’ve only noticed it being people harassing him, not a result of him behaving in some manner inappropriate to this board. People with far more disruptive behavior get to drop their turds into threads without more than a momentary “Huh?” But BigT posts to a thread, it doesn’t matter what he posted, somebody will run up to yell at him “BigTard!” to prove how cool they are and that they know the secret codewords. I’ve yet to see a post from BigT that justified the odd behavior towards him. Is he lecturing? Sure. Is that unusual on this board? Nope… ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/26 "2017-08-10T05:32:05Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > BigT is thoughtful and harmless. He’s just an easy target to be picked on. Your second post was more accurate. He is sanctamonius. He could get his point across without the finger wagging. Having said that, he is a lot better than he used to be and where I once skipped over all his nannying posts I’ll now take the time to read them because they (usually) have substance. What caught my eye is your comment that he is an easy target. How so? All we know about each other is what we post in black and white. We are all equal here. If he appears to be a target somehow it has to be his post’s content or posting style. Since his content is usually OK, I’m going with the finger wagging that makes him an easy target. FWIW, I have nothing against him and I don’t think he derails theeads. ---
**Author:** ![LorieSmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a587f6/32.png) [@LorieSmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LorieSmurf)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/27 "2017-08-10T05:44:30Z")
Ugh. BigT. If I knew him in real life I’d try really hard to not hit him with my car. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/28 "2017-08-10T05:44:39Z")
There are some people that are just fucking lame and nobody can stand them, even other lame asses. I think his posting style sort of transcends the message board format and people pick up on his real personality and they don’t like it, because it reminds them of annoying, panty-waist, little goody two-shoes people they know in real life and can’t stand. He’s singled himself out and it’s just too easy to shit all over anything he says, and the he comes back and asks for seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/29 "2017-08-10T05:45:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Now this is the type of thread I want. Finally some fucking substance. Finally claims I can engage with, instead of just saying I’m awful and trying to piss me off. I’m not even all that angry now. Kudos. > > The problem with complaints like these, however, is that I am far from the only Doper who lectures. I can find a lecture–from either side–in pretty much every Pit thread, any IMHO thread asking for advice, any thread where someone acts like a douchebag, etc. Hell, one reason I lecture less than I used to is that I can now count on other people to say the same thing before I do. > > Yeah, maybe I lecture more than the average Doper. (Though, I’d argue, the issue is likely aggravated because I post more often than the average Doper.) But you guys always seem to want to tell me to stop doing it altogether. You tell me how everyone knows you shouldn’t do it, while you yourselves and everyone else also do it. > > And I have cut it down a whole lot. I used to would lecture at any provocation. Now I hold back most of the time. Unless I’m talking about something particularly egregious, I try to pull back. I take advice that I need to be clearer when I’m just posting my opinion. I deliberately walk on eggshells, even though you guys say no one should have to, and call people snowflakes for needing it. > > Still, when I see someone acting like an asshole, I want to be able to call them out. And when I see someone missing something obvious, I want to be able to break it down as simply as I can so they can have a chance at understanding. I hate this claim that I’m being “condescending,” as if that’s an argument against what I said. Yeah, when you seem to miss something basic, someone correcting you will often come off that way. > > What I’m not going to do is blow smoke up your asses or hold back. You guys freed me back in 2009, when I realized being friends with everyone here was just impossible. You get to see what I really think. > > I do try to smooth off the edges. I do try not to hijack a thread where people are being perfectly calm and lecture someone for being an asshole, like I used to. I pay attention more and more to other people’s feelings. I pay attention to the fact that, even if I’m pissed at one guy, what I say can piss off a bunch of other people. > > In short, thanks for bringing this up, but this is not something I don’t know, and, unless you have specific tips on how to come off better, I’m not going to change how I interact more than I already am. > > Simply telling me that I’m lecturing or coming off as condescending is just not helpful. Do you have any idea how much you say “I”? Your problem isn’t that you’re sanctimonious, it’s that you’re utterly self-obsessed. Your moral proclamations from your basement pulpit aren’t comments on how other people talk to one another, they’re a constant update of your infatuation with your own thoughts, such as they are. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/30 "2017-08-10T07:27:23Z")
> [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > Anyone who has been on these boards for more than a couple years and still gets personally offended by big t’s finger wagging enough to start a pit thread needs to do some sort of self examination or something. Personally offended by words on the internet is more BigT’s thing but if you want I’ll be happy to check myself. > [@tomndebb](#): > > Is this supposed to describe all his posts, or just those in ATMB and The BBQ Pit? Not all of his posts, not at all, just the painfully unaware soapboxing. > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I’ve really tried to give BigT a chance and read his posts, but by the second line my eyes glaze over, and I spin the mouse wheel in an effort to get those few lifeless seconds back. He just sucks the life out of the thread. I’d be lying if I said I read every word of those posts, generally when I realise its one of the lectures I just skip to the next post with an inaudible little “for fucks sake”. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/31 "2017-08-10T07:36:04Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Still, when I see someone acting like an asshole, I want to be able to call them out. And when I see someone missing something obvious, I want to be able to break it down as simply as I can so they can have a chance at understanding. Oh, thats it, right there, thats the good shit. Purestrain BigT. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/32 "2017-08-10T07:58:07Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Now this is the type of thread I want. Finally some fucking substance. Finally claims I can engage with, instead of just saying I’m awful and trying to piss me off. I’m not even all that angry now. Kudos. Big T’s not angry, he’s just very, _very_ disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/33 "2017-08-10T09:37:33Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Oh, thats it, right there, thats the good shit. Purestrain BigT. Two sentences, 5 personal pronouns. If BigT were delivering the Sermon on the Mount he’d find a way to make it about him: “I want you not to judge others, lest they judge you. I don’t judge other people unless they fail to live to my standards, and you should do as I do, because I will be disappointed otherwise. I think you should all try to live up to my standards of non-judgement. Where were we? Oh yeah, the Golden Rule, or as I like to call it, The BigT rule”. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/34 "2017-08-10T10:20:08Z")
I don’t pretend to understand BigT’s Law. I merely espouse upon it. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/35 "2017-08-10T11:20:53Z")
> [@pool](#): > > There are some people that are just fucking lame and nobody can stand them, even other lame asses. I think his posting style sort of transcends the message board format and people pick up on his real personality and they don’t like it, because it reminds them of annoying, panty-waist, little goody two-shoes people they know in real life and can’t stand. He’s singled himself out and it’s just too easy to shit all over anything he says, and the he comes back and asks for seconds. If you think you encounter a lot of “panty-waist, little goody two-shoes” who you can’t help but shit on, you are probably just an asshole. Ironically, the very counseling that could help address your fragile masculinity is probably out of reach because that’s a bunch of sissy shit, or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/36 "2017-08-10T11:58:01Z")
I already told \*\*BigT \*\*off once (heck, I don’t even remember what the thread was about)so I don’t feel the need to go through the whole thing again. **Bucketybuck** gave a classic example: [QUOTE=BigT] Still, when I see someone acting like an asshole, I want to be able to call them out. And when I see someone missing something obvious, I want to be able to break it down as simply as I can so they can have a chance at understanding. [/QUOTE] The fuck? :smack: How can one possibly not see how completely obnoxious that sounds? In the scheme of things, I think \*\*BigT \*\*brings more good to the world than bad. That doesn’t make his pontificating any less insufferable. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/37 "2017-08-10T12:08:47Z")
> [@pool](#): > > There are some people that are just fucking lame and nobody can stand them, even other lame asses. I think his posting style sort of transcends the message board format and people pick up on his real personality and they don’t like it, because it reminds them of annoying, panty-waist, little goody two-shoes people they know in real life and can’t stand. He’s singled himself out and it’s just too easy to shit all over anything he says, and the he comes back and asks for seconds. Yes. He brought in on himself. Said every bully everywhere. And now we see the weak ineffectual victims of bullying spot the guy who is scorned by others, who won’t fight back, and then join in gleefully to take their opportunity for revenge, not against their own tormentors, because that would take courage, but by picking on someone even more vulnerable than themselves and joining the mockery from the safety of a crowd. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/38 "2017-08-10T15:06:30Z")
Meh. ---
**Author:** ![Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enter_the_Flagon)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/39 "2017-08-10T15:15:07Z")
Yep, Bully Magnet. That said, **Bit T** , it’d probably be helpful if you edited your posts for brevity. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187/40 "2017-08-10T16:03:22Z")
One way I judge whether a particular reaction to a poster is justified, is to see who is driving it. When it comes to the **BigT** hate, I see several posters I would classify as “Giant, throbbing, haemorrhoidal sphincters” joining the pile-on, so that immediately would make me want to take his side. On the other hand, **octopus** is for him, so maybe the sphincters are onto something… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fingerwaggin-bigt/793187.md?page=3)