This isn’t the thread for grading Obama’s presidency, but I think I am allowed to respond to your “most ludicrous” comment: Since you hadn’t written the second sentence above when you wrote the first, I can forgive you for writing the first sentence in the first place! 
Exiting Iraq, Obamacare, the stock market turnaround, repeal of DADT, massive job creation, financial regulation, Osama bin Laden. I could go on…
He let way too many fabrications and reversals go by without remarking on them. I can only assume it was some sort of game plan. I just can’t figure out what that plan might be other than play defense and don’t make mistakes.
Any way you look at it, Obama could have had a better performance even if he’s working off some devious rope-a-dope plan.
Okay. So then… at least two Mitt Romneys will be on the ballot. Got it.
Admit it. If you were a Democrat, you would be making this comment about Romney, now wouldn’t you? Being an independent who usually votes Democratic, I can honestly say I believe Romney and Obama care about their fellow human beings as much as we all do, which is to say they are sympathetic and empathetic in general, and willing to do whatever they can when someone else is in dire straits or just needs a bit of help. Is there even a remote possibility that you can see how your idiotic hunches and things that “seem” to be have no basis in fact? That you have no idea how either candidate truly feels in their hearts about other people?
From The New York Times, October 4, 2012, front page article:
That was the unspoken subtext of the debate: George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.
You’re surprised that the pundits’ message wasn’t “Yeah, it’s pretty much all over; you don’t have to bother watching our shows for until the election is over”? :dubious:
Yeah, some of them are being honest, but some are just ginning up interest wherever they can. It’s what they do.
Well, yes, but the second half of that equation means you get off your butt and hit them somewhere. Obama just didn’t do that.
The President of the US is the single most powerful human being in a world teetering towards catastrophe. If that isn’t enough to engage someone’s interest, they should go dig a hole and get in.
Last night we saw what happens when Obama can’t hide behind a Bush.
We now have his 4 year record to judge Obama on, it’s not just what he said he will do, it’s what he’s done vs what he said he would do/what he says he’ll do. I’m a “actions mean more than words” kinda guy.
About the debate, a Facebook Friend of a Friend posted “… had great sound bites but no real substance! He was just spouting slogans and very simplistic logic!” “I liked …’s delivery but disagreed with everything he said. Most of his attacks were half truths without a basis.” My comment was “I recall saying that 4 years ago, yet he was elected.” Dare I hope Obama’ll make the changes he said he would 4 years ago if he’s re-elected?
I don’t hate Obama, I think both candidates want what’s best for the country, each sees a different path to get there.
I see you wrote “…'s”. I’m assuming Romney’s name as the one deleted?
No, you are not reaching.
Obama is a political genius. Behind the question, “Why didn’t Obama bring this or that up?” is the question, “Why didn’t Romney bring this or that up?”
Ya think? :dubious:
Being that I was applying a quote from last night to a thought from 4 years’ ago, yeah 
Personally, I’d like to see the Obama in full on lame-duck, nothing much to lose mode.
He inherited a nation in one unholy mess which everyone who has two brain cells knows is going to take far more than 4 years to recover from. On top of that he had to walk a tight-rope his first term, due to some of the strongest partisanship in congress ever seen.
I just saw a bit of Obama’s first speech after the debate. Without going into details, I’m thinking he didn’t respond as forcefully as he did last night, because he was simply saving up ammo from Romney’s statements to use on the stump. He didn’t want to come off as combative before the whole nation, but rather decided to try an maintain his likability. In the swing states, where it matters, he can bring up his criticisms and be more vehement in his attacks.
Umm, he wanted the job. He said he could do the job. Did he deliver what he said he would?
You hire someone to build your house. As soon as he starts work, a gang of bullies blocks the lumber deliveries, tears down the work as it goes up, steals the tools, and shouls on bullhorns to passers by about what an asshole the worker is for not geting the house done. Would you blame the builder for not meeting his deadline?
He brought in a bountiful harvest, if such was his intent.
For instance, his adorable insinuation about Obama contributors raking in corrupt cash from the “green energy” programs. First off, whoever is likely to be all entrepreneurial about green energy if not people aligned with such concerns? What are the Koch Brother’s “green energy” investments? But why we rely on facts when insinuations and suggestive hints work so much better.
But more importantly, the bald faced lie about half the green energy programs going belly up. Not even close, not even an exaggeration.
This from the admittedly leftish Media Matters suggests less than 2% is the correct figure. Lets say that’s way off, say its twice that. Hell, lets say its three times that. (6% for my fellow mathtards)
How in the name of Bleeding Og do you get “half” out of that?
And he did a very bad job of presenting those 4 years. Sure the Obama presidency (so far) hasn’t been perfect, but it has also had highlights and accomplishments that he did a poor job of highlighting.
I think perhaps the most clear is the auto industry bailout, as it’s a great opportunity to highlight the philosophical differences between the left and the right. It’s a situation in which the government intervened in private business, something that is typically a more liberal position, and the result was a rousing, undeniable, and practical-as-opposed-to-theoretical success. That’s the kind of thing Obama should have been talking about.
I think Obama is arguing from a tough position, because the basic truth of a lot of the economic indicators and so forth is that when he took office they were a CATASTROPHE and now they’re just bad. But that’s hard to talk about because (a) it sounds whiny to talk too much about how things were when he took over, life isn’t fair, yada yada yada, and (b) pointing out that things are bad now after 4 years of Obama presidency is obviously not something that he really wants to be doing.
But the builder told me “Yes we can!”
Not “Yes we can” unless “a gang of bullies blocks the lumber deliveries, tears down the work as it goes up, steals the tools, and shouls on bullhorns to passers by about what an asshole the worker is for not geting the house done” happens.
The builder can go after the others if they interfere with him, my contract is with the builder to do a job.