# The fix was in, apparently **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266 "2016-07-06T22:37:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/21 "2016-07-07T00:19:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So ignorance of the law is an excuse after all. Interesting. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Intent is an excuse. Read the damn [FBI statement](http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/fbi-statement-email-server-hillary-clinton-james-comey/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/22 "2016-07-07T00:21:52Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Hillary is gonna skate. The head of the FBI came out and read a LONG list of criminal fuckups on her part. And your qualifications to consider these criminal are greater than the director of the FBI and his bevy of attorneys because … The Donald is not being criminally prosecuted for his Trump U scam. You upset about that? And how about the fact that the civil trial is postponed until after the election? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/23 "2016-07-07T00:34:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So ignorance of the law is an excuse after all. Interesting. So what was the crime she committed? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/24 "2016-07-07T00:37:42Z")
What a crybaby. All of them. Waaaa! I didn’t get what Faux News promised! Waaaa! Just last week they were all lauding Comey for his integrity and honesty, assuring the world that he would get to the bottom of this. Now they all want him investigated himself because the facts aren’t what they wanted them to be. Stick your pacifier back in your fat yap, **Clothy** , and crawl back under your rock. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/25 "2016-07-07T00:38:54Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Hillary is gonna skate. The head of the FBI came out and read a LONG list of criminal fuckups on her part. And then he announced that they weren’t going to prosecute her for them because she didn’t know what she was doing. :mad: Fuckups there were in spades, but apparently none of them were actually criminal. Aren’t you an ex-cop? Do you not, then, actually believe in the rule of law? Apparently, after spending something like a year and God knows how many wasted man-hours, the FBI couldn’t find anything plausible to charge her with. So, what do you think? Should we just, you know, make up a charge, in the time-honored fashion of third-world dictatorships everywhere? > [@](#): > > And the director of the FBI should be fired for incompetence, and possibly arrested for taking a bribe. But that won’t happen unless we get really lucky. So, bacause this case didn’t come out the way you thought it should, you should slander the head of the FBI, without the slightest shred of evidence. Nice. Good lord, **Clothy** what a piece of work you are. To quote a movie, “I’ve never met anyone who made being a son of a bitch such a point of pride.” ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/26 "2016-07-07T00:49:54Z")
Clothahump = “Always wrong, but never uncertain!” ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/27 "2016-07-07T00:55:57Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Intent is an excuse. Read the damn [FBI statement](http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/fbi-statement-email-server-hillary-clinton-james-comey/index.html). A distinction without a difference it seems to me. How can you intend to break a law that you don’t know exists? ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/28 "2016-07-07T01:20:08Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > > So ignorance of the law is an excuse after all. Interesting. > > So what was the crime she committed? I think he was being self-referential. He wants to hate, so he’ll hate, and neither logic nor reason will retard his vehemence. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/29 "2016-07-07T01:21:30Z")
At least the OP came right out and called Comey corrupt which is better than these milquetoast pansies in Congress who are saying “Now, I totally respect the FBI and their work and they’re so awesome… but the system is obviously rigged and this is bullshit.” ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/30 "2016-07-07T01:24:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Disciplinary action is entirely different than prosecution. I’ve been working, both active duty and as a civilian, with classified info for many years. I’ve seen people mishandled controlled and classified material on email literally hundreds of times. Many times they faced disciplinary action, which usually included a temporary ban on handling classified documents and retraining. None of them were ever prosecuted. In fact, I’ve never even heard of someone being prosecuted unless they mishandled documents for profit or for spying. Exactly this. I’d venture to say that there is not a single person in the Department of State or even in the entire government who has not, at one time or another, breached security in one way or another. It’s almost impossible not to. I know I did on several occasions. For the SecState or any other big cheese to do so is more egregious, but it doesn’t rise to the level of criminality unless that person is deliberately giving information to the enemy. People like the OP have bought the party line and talking head nonsense in its entirety. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/31 "2016-07-07T01:33:20Z")
I notice that **Clothahump** and **Starving Artist** have not pressed the FBI to open the investigations of Powell and Rice for those of their actions that were the same as those of Clinton. I wonder why that is? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/32 "2016-07-07T01:34:46Z")
It does kind of remind me of this: During Reagan Administration: 10 Embassy Attacks 318 Deaths (1 U.S. Ambassador killed 18 CIA officers killed 254 Marines killed) Congressional Investigations: 1 During Bush Administration: 13 Embassy Attacks 66 Deaths (3 American Diplomats Killed 22 Embassy Employees Killed) Congressional Investigations: 0 During Obama Administration: 2 Embassy Attacks 4 American Deaths (1 American Diplomat Killed) Congressional Investigations: 13 Cost to U.S. taxpayers for partisan witchhunts: $14,000,000. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/33 "2016-07-07T01:50:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > A distinction without a difference it seems to me. How can you intend to break a law that you don’t know exists? How can you break a law if no one seems to be able to say what it is? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/34 "2016-07-07T01:55:16Z")
> [@elliott](#): > > Anything from a stern lecture from Obama to being fired would count as disciplinary action. Please note that she is, in fact, no longer SecState. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/35 "2016-07-07T01:57:39Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > How can you break a law if no one seems to be able to say what it is? But you can \*exonerate \*someone with a little experiment … ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/36 "2016-07-07T02:01:50Z")
Hey Clothahump, remind everyone about how you were just as upset and frothing at the mouth for justice over the big [Bush administration’s email cotroversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy). I mean, if they did the same thing she did, then obviously you would have been just as upset about it. More upset probably, with 88 separate accounts on their own private domain, 140k emails to & from Karl Rove alone, all just up and deleted even after congressional requests for that information, you must have been going absolutely insane. Except, I can’t seem to find anything in your posting history about it. I just missed those posts, right? ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/37 "2016-07-07T02:12:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > A distinction without a difference it seems to me. How can you intend to break a law that you don’t know exists? Not intent to break a law, intent to send secret documents to unauthorized persons. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/38 "2016-07-07T02:24:44Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > A distinction without a difference it seems to me. How can you intend to break a law that you don’t know exists? I’m not Bricker or another lawyer, but my understanding is that you don’t have to know you’re breaking the law. You have to know you’re committing the act the law forbids. For example, let’s say you broke the law about speeding, and that this is a law that required intent. If you didn’t know you were speeding, that would be a defense. Not knowing that speeding was against the law would not be. In this case, the argument is that Clinton was unaware that she had sent classified information, and so she didn’t have the intent. It’s been pointed out many times well before the verdict that mistakes with low level classified information (And not deliberate leaks) tend not to result in criminal charges for anyone. Clearance is affected. Your job may be affected. But you won’t go to court. Clinton is not getting any special treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/39 "2016-07-07T02:38:50Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > In this case, the argument is that Clinton was unaware that she had sent classified information, and so she didn’t have the intent. > . I will confess to not caring enough to do the research, but I was under the impression the allegation is only that she \*received \*(unmarked) classified information, not that she _sent_ any to someone who wasn’t authorized to view it. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/40 "2016-07-07T02:50:39Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I will confess to not caring enough to do the research, but I was under the impression the allegation is only that she \*received \*(unmarked) classified information, not that she _sent_ any to someone who wasn’t authorized to view it. The FBI statement notes that there were seven email chains where Secretary Clinton both sent and received information that was classified at that point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266.md?page=3)