# The fix was in, apparently **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266 "2016-07-06T22:37:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/121 "2016-07-08T20:28:45Z")
What definition of ‘grossly negligent’ are you using and why does it differ from the one Comey is using? If 52 email chains is grossly negligent, is there a number lower than 52 but greater than zero that would have been merely negligent? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/122 "2016-07-08T20:29:13Z")
I was not aware that you are a better judge of criminal behavior than the director of the FBI. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/123 "2016-07-08T20:35:50Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Bolding Mine > > Nice … the Free Press says it’s a tight argument … > > She’d lose a stripe if she was in the military, transferred to Entomology or offered a discharge. It’s a lack of discipline on her part, lesson learned, it’s a simple correction to fix this here on out. I notice a express lack of threads calling for sanctions against Colin Powell. While I do agree that her actions were wrong and risky if we fired everyone whom tried to circumvent IT rules we would be a nation of the unemployed. She is far from my ideal candidate but. > [@](#): > > “OIG identified many examples of staff using personal email accounts to conduct official business; however, OIG could only identify three cases where officials used non-Departmental systems on an exclusive basis for day-to-day operations. These include former Secretaries Powell and Clinton, as well as Jonathan Scott Gration, a former Ambassador to Kenya.” [U.S. Department of State Office of Inspector General report, “Office of the Secretary: Evaluation of Email Records Management and Cybersecurity Requirements,” May 2016] In fact that she was following the exact same policy as her predecessor. > [@](#): > > “Thought It Was Allowed, As Commercial [Account] Was For Powell.” While the costs may be different, have you ever logged into facebook from work? Have you ever installed an application on a company owned device? Have you ever used evernote or dropbox for official company work? Can you not empathize with this type of mistake? When you get a new job do you cross reference every policy and procedure you are provided with? I am betting you have, but due to an attribution error you excuse those you agree with while ascribing moral failings her mistakes. The attacks against Clinton are purely a witch hunt by the Republicans whom cannot compete in an election based on ideas or morality. So they have to resort to ad hominem attacks . The failure here is with the procedures and policy enforcement. The fix is in policy and enforcement and that is the only realistic solution that will assist in preventing it in the future. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/124 "2016-07-08T20:38:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > That is exactly what happened. From the Director’s own announcement (emphasis mine): > > There it is, in black and white. She committed felonies. She’s gonna skate on them. But hey, in her own words, what does it matter? After all, she’s the Goddess Hillary and it’s just business as usual in Washington. From his statement. > [@](#): > > Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they **were extremely careless** in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. Notice the lack of the phrase “grossly negligent”. He was **investigating** if it was grossly negligent, not that it was the finding. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/125 "2016-07-08T20:56:37Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > That is exactly what happened. From the Director’s own announcement (emphasis mine): > > There it is, in black and white. She committed felonies. She’s gonna skate on them. But hey, in her own words, what does it matter? After all, she’s the Goddess Hillary and it’s just business as usual in Washington. If those are felonies, then a good 50% of the hundreds of people I’ve known in active duty and civilian military who regularly handle controlled and classified material are guilty of felonies. Accidentally emailing the wrong information is very, very common. The worst punishment I’ve ever seen, aside from those who do it for profit or spying, is a temporary ban on handling classified material and a retraining period. I’ve never even seen anyone get fired for it. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/126 "2016-07-08T21:11:35Z")
> [@bump](#): > > The reason I brought HIPAA up in this context is that it allows for institutional fines, personal fines, AND criminal charges. > > I kind of get the impression that if someone played as fast and loose with HIPAA information and got caught, they’d be looking at personal and company fines out the wazoo, and likely the loss of their job as well. Note that Clinton is already no longer Secretary of State. If you think she should be ineligible for the Presidency because of this, feel free to vote for Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/127 "2016-07-08T21:15:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > That is exactly what happened. From the Director’s own announcement (emphasis mine): > > There it is, in black and white. She committed felonies. She’s gonna skate on them. But hey, in her own words, what does it matter? After all, she’s the Goddess Hillary and it’s just business as usual in Washington. Great galloping Ganesha, you’re just desperate now, man. Speaking as a mental health professional: Let it go, if you can. Let go of some of the hate. You’ll feel better for it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/128 "2016-07-08T21:21:25Z")
I’ll ask again, **Clothahump** : is there just a tiny chance that maybe Comey is an honorable and honest man who just feels differently than you do? And is it possible for anyone to disagree with you on politics without being dishonest, stupid, or morally corrupt? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/129 "2016-07-08T21:32:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by\*\* Clothahump \*\* > That is exactly what happened. From the Director’s own announcement (emphasis mine): > > There it is, in black and white. She committed felonies. She’s gonna skate on them. But hey, in her own words, what does it matter? After all, she’s the Goddess Hillary and it’s just business as usual in Washington. I’ll never understand the outrage people feel when they think someone somewhere has gotten away with something. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/130 "2016-07-08T21:47:28Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’ll never understand the outrage people feel when they think someone somewhere has gotten away with something. Jealousy because they aren’t getting away with their own shit? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/131 "2016-07-08T22:06:39Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’ll never understand the outrage people feel when they think someone somewhere has gotten away with something. That’s why they would rather see millions of people go hungry rather than see one person abuse food stamps. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/132 "2016-07-08T23:18:37Z")
My coworker, who’s been blustering for months about Hillary definitely going to the hoosegow, appeared a bit peeved with the outcome as well. Fingers crossed that he’s wrong about a Trump landslide too. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/133 "2016-07-08T23:24:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If those are felonies, then a good 50% of the hundreds of people I’ve known in active duty and civilian military who regularly handle controlled and classified material are guilty of felonies. > > Accidentally emailing the wrong information is very, very common. The worst punishment I’ve ever seen, aside from those who do it for profit or spying, is a temporary ban on handling classified material and a retraining period. I’ve never even seen anyone get fired for it. But isn’t there a difference between “accidentally emailing the wrong information” and “setting up the infrastructure to maintain data offsite”? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/134 "2016-07-08T23:29:28Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > There it is, in black and white. She committed felonies. She’s gonna skate on them. But hey, in her own words, what does it matter? After all, she’s the Goddess Hillary and it’s just business as usual in Washington. It must be painful to be so stupid. Let me explain, as if to a child: First, that statute requires “gross negligence”. Note that the FBI Director was careful not to say Clinton was “grossly negligent”. Second, no one has ever been convicted under that statute in its 99-year history. Third, the FBI Director explicitly stated that he wasn’t sure the statute was constitutional. Your extreme partisanship has made it difficult for you to understand facts or reality. Also your stupidity isn’t helping. I understand that you’re an old man. Have you always been this angry and stupid, or do you have some sort of senility/dementia thing going on? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/135 "2016-07-08T23:34:26Z")
I already posted the video of Comey’s explanation as to why he did not recommend prosecution, but apparently nobody will watch it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/136 "2016-07-08T23:43:25Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > …I understand that you’re an old man. Have you always been this angry and stupid, or do you have some sort of senility/dementia thing going on? Steady up, there, puppy. Remember…youth and skill is no match for age and treachery. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/137 "2016-07-09T00:06:54Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > ISecond, no one has ever been convicted under that statute in its 99-year history. To quote Mr. Spock “for everything, there is a first time.” Maybe some gutsy young AUSA should take up the cause. Comey’s recommendation doesn’t _preclude_ prosecution. I mean, it’s a chance to make a high profile case in an election year! Of course, _losing_ such a case could be a career-killer. Still… Or have a I misunderstood the basics again? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/138 "2016-07-09T00:22:47Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Maybe some gutsy young AUSA should take up the cause. They called him stupid…they called him ignorant…they called him deluded. But…this fall… \*\*Clothahump \*\*is out to prove them right. No constitutional limitations will hold him back. This fall, \*\*Clothahump \*\*is…ADA! The D stands for Dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/139 "2016-07-09T00:27:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Steady up, there, puppy. Remember…youth and skill is no match for age and treachery. So, chronologically speaking, this is the finest version of **Clothahump**? A few more centuries he’ll be tying his own shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266/140 "2016-07-09T00:30:15Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I understand that you’re an old man. Have you always been this angry and stupid, or do you have some sort of senility/dementia thing going on? Conservative talk shows have convinced him that if he only believes hard enough, Reality will be what they want it to be. They’re wrong, of course, and that is where the anger comes from. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fix-was-in-apparently/759266.md?page=8)