# The Flash/Arrow Crossover Dec 1-2, 2015 \[Open spoilers after airing\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 24, 2015, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422 "2015-11-24T12:46:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/21 "2015-12-03T14:54:42Z")
> [@Habeed](#): > > Was Arrow ever good? No, but my love for the real Green Arrow (not this Batman stand-in) and Felicity (the character) keep me watching. Most of the regular and recurring actors are mediocre to bad (at least in this series, though I did see one movie with the actress who plays Laurel and she wasn’t good in that either - but she was topless…). I think I’m just hoping that the Oliver Queen I grew up with (who copied many of Bruce Wayne’s toys, but not his attitude - and that’s why I always liked GA more) shows up eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/22 "2015-12-03T19:31:22Z")
> [@Habeed](#): > > Point is, women who have both those kind of looks and elite technical skills are vanishingly rare for a reason, and it’s probably not just sex discrimination. (who would discriminate against someone that attractive?!) …its this sort of sexist claptrap that makes things harder for women in tech. Stop being part of the problem Habeed. Felicity’s character is as believable as any of the other “super-tech-geniuses” on TV at the moment and if you find it "so unbelievable that “someone can look like her and be smart” that’s your problem, not the shows. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/23 "2015-12-03T21:22:04Z")
So, 206 lives in 4000 years? That means they average about 19.5 years per life; they really aren’t terribly good at not getting killed… And dammit, time travel scripts should just be given a wide berth. When I saw the ‘ghosting’, my first thought was, well great, nothing we see from this point on is really going to matter, and will only be played for shock value. Plus, of course, that kind of power simply takes the drama out of everything. Yes, I know, ‘time pushes back’, so Barry can’t just use it as a reset button every time… Except, of course, when he does. One thing the Flash really needs is another power to add to his arsenal of abilities he keeps having to forget in order to create at least some drama. For a non-Arrow watcher, who was that shadowy guy played by John Barrowman? I gather he was the father of Oliver’s sister, but not his father, right? Is he just the go-to ambiguously evil guy of the show? Also, I don’t think I got the origin story of Hawkcouple and Savage. So Savage kills them, then the meteors come, granting him immortality, and them reincarnation, but he has to kill them each time? Will his immortality just run out, otherwise? And why exactly did the staff have the power to kill him? It was there, and that’s just what happens in such a case? I really felt that could’ve been fleshed out better… And really, Savage should go to Cisco for rebranding. I mean, Vandal Savage? That’s kinda like Evilguy Ne’erdowell, or Villain McMurderyou. Or Kilgrave. Just once, I want to see a bad guy named, I don’t know, Nicedude O’Lovesabunch. Or hell, Tim. There’s always this moment in comics, where the heroes are wondering whether to trust the stranger promising to help them, but who might also be luring them into a trap, and you’re like, come on, he’s wearing skulls for shoulderpads. He calls himself Murderlord. Do the math, dammit. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/24 "2015-12-03T21:40:47Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > So, 206 lives in 4000 years? That means they average about 19.5 years per life; they really aren’t terribly good at not getting killed… > > And dammit, time travel scripts should just be given a wide berth. When I saw the ‘ghosting’, my first thought was, well great, nothing we see from this point on is really going to matter, and will only be played for shock value. Plus, of course, that kind of power simply takes the drama out of everything. Yes, I know, ‘time pushes back’, so Barry can’t just use it as a reset button every time… Except, of course, when he does. One thing the Flash really needs is another power to add to his arsenal of abilities he keeps having to forget in order to create at least some drama. > > For a non-Arrow watcher, who was that shadowy guy played by John Barrowman? I gather he was the father of Oliver’s sister, but not his father, right? Is he just the go-to ambiguously evil guy of the show? > > Also, I don’t think I got the origin story of Hawkcouple and Savage. So Savage kills them, then the meteors come, granting him immortality, and them reincarnation, but he has to kill them each time? Will his immortality just run out, otherwise? And why exactly did the staff have the power to kill him? It was there, and that’s just what happens in such a case? I really felt that could’ve been fleshed out better… > > And really, Savage should go to Cisco for rebranding. I mean, Vandal Savage? That’s kinda like Evilguy Ne’erdowell, or Villain McMurderyou. Or Kilgrave. Just once, I want to see a bad guy named, I don’t know, Nicedude O’Lovesabunch. Or hell, Tim. There’s always this moment in comics, where the heroes are wondering whether to trust the stranger promising to help them, but who might also be luring them into a trap, and you’re like, come on, he’s wearing skulls for shoulderpads. He calls himself Murderlord. Do the math, dammit. The guy is Malcom Merlyn, and he is Thea’s father but not Oliver’s because thier mother had an affair at some point. After Merlyn’s wife died he was grief-stricken and eventually found solace with the League of Assassins, who taught him how to be a badass and hunt down the people he felt were responsible for killing his wife. Long story short, he now leads the League of Assassins as the new "Ra’s Al Ghul"and is really fairly unambiguously evil. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/25 "2015-12-03T21:41:56Z")
Shadowy guy played by John Barrowman was Malcom Merlyn, current leader of the League of Shadows. Taking over for the recently deposed (sure, let’s go with that) R’as Al Ghul. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/26 "2015-12-03T22:33:07Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > So, 206 lives in 4000 years? That means they average about 19.5 years per life; they really aren’t terribly good at not getting killed… Well, the bad guy does have the advantage in that he doesn’t die and lose his memory of what’s going on, nor does he have to grow up all over again (and again). I could also see Vandal murdering them as babies on occasion. I mean, he’s an evil dude, right? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/27 "2015-12-04T01:34:12Z")
Plus, maybe they don’t reincarnate immediately upon death. Maybe there’s a layover in limbo. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/28 "2015-12-04T02:02:35Z")
> [@](#): > > And dammit, time travel scripts should just be given a wide berth. If you’re not going to do time travel, than don’t do the Flash, time travel’s always been a not insignificant part of the Flash (at least the Barry and Wally era, I never read any original Jay era stuff beyond his origin story) Anyway… Kendra and Shiera shouldn’t look the same, Kendra’s not a true reincarnation, just some girl who got possessed by her soul when Shiera died too soon and Kendra committed suicide. Also, their freaking wings aren’t supposed to be part of them! They don’t even give them flight, just help them control flight caused by belts made of Nth metal… Oh wells, at least Nth metal got mentioned… William? what the fuck? Ollie’s kid’s supposed to be named Connor _Sometimes it’s really more trouble than it’s worth to know the lore. Don’t even get me started on “Zoom”. [sup][sub]ZOOM IS REVERSE FLASH’S NAME, REVERSE FLASH IS JUST A DESCRIPTION. WHAT IS “BLACK FLASH” SOMEHOW RACIST NOW? SINCE THAT’S CLEARLY WHO THEY WERE GOING FOR[/sub][/sup]/nerdrage_ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/29 "2015-12-04T02:08:01Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > William? what the fuck? Ollie’s kid’s supposed to be named Connor > > _Sometimes it’s really more trouble than it’s worth to know the lore._ Barry Allen dated Linda Park? Cradle robber. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/30 "2015-12-04T04:45:32Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > _Sometimes it’s really more trouble than it’s worth to know the lore. Don’t even get me started on “Zoom”. [sup][sub]ZOOM IS REVERSE FLASH’S NAME, REVERSE FLASH IS JUST A DESCRIPTION. WHAT IS “BLACK FLASH” SOMEHOW RACIST NOW? SINCE THAT’S CLEARLY WHO THEY WERE GOING FOR[/sub][/sup]/nerdrage_ No, Reverse Flash is _Professor_ Zoom. And Iris was born in the 30th century. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/31 "2015-12-04T14:43:32Z")
I thought it was a pretty great crossover, it was a lot of fun. The explanation on how to bring everyone together was definitely just a convenient excuse, but I can deal with that. It felt very comic book-y in a good way. > [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Interesting story structure: _The Flash_ episode took place mostly in Star City, while the _Arrow_ episode is going to take place mostly in Central City. > > I initially thought the setup for getting Team Flash (half of it, at least) to Star City was a bit weak. How did Barry know that Team Arrow was dealing with magic? But when they got there, both groups seemed surprisingly well-informed about what the other was doing. Team Arrow knew about Zoom and multiple Earths. Team Flash knew not just about the magic business but also about Felicity being CEO of a mega-corporation. Maybe Cisco and Felicity each run a blog about the goings on in their respective cities? That didn’t really bother me. I imagine that Barry and Felicity talk occasionally and keep each other up on what’s going on (except for Barry breaking his back but that was because he’s ashamed about that). And it showed them all meeting up, then hanging out at Oliver’s having drinks, I was guessing that they filled in everyone about some stuff while off screen. > [@Habeed](#): > > This creates the problem that nobody, audience or in show, would believe that she’s a major geek. Her dialogue seems to reflect that. Felicity is runway model pretty, like 9 or 10 out of 10 in almost anyone’s book. What would motivate someone like that to hit the books for the thousands of hours it takes to develop the kind of elite technical skills she supposedly has? Obviously, everyone wants to party with her and the most elite men in around her are going to be doing everything they can to impress her and/or hit that. > > There’s also the problem of outcomes, evolutionary psych stuff, etc. Point is, women who have both those kind of looks and elite technical skills are vanishingly rare for a reason, and it’s probably not just sex discrimination. (who would discriminate against someone that attractive?!) Really? I probably shouldn’t respond to this but if you have an issue with ridiculously attractive people playing characters who are not models, you shouldn’t be watching 95% of TV shows. And Felicity developed the skills she has for the same reason that Ray Palmer developed the skills he has, because they find the geeky stuff interesting. Ray Palmer is also a gorgeous human being, and could coast on his good looks and charisma in some much easier job, and spend most of his time partying with models, but studied all the technical stuff he has, and done all the geeky work he has because that’s what he likes, just like Felicity. > [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > So, 206 lives in 4000 years? That means they average about 19.5 years per life; they really aren’t terribly good at not getting killed… > > \ > > Also, I don’t think I got the origin story of Hawkcouple and Savage. So Savage kills them, then the meteors come, granting him immortality, and them reincarnation, but he has to kill them each time? Will his immortality just run out, otherwise? And why exactly did the staff have the power to kill him? It was there, and that’s just what happens in such a case? I really felt that could’ve been fleshed out better… > > And really, Savage should go to Cisco for rebranding. I mean, Vandal Savage? That’s kinda like Evilguy Ne’erdowell, or Villain McMurderyou. Or Kilgrave. Just once, I want to see a bad guy named, I don’t know, Nicedude O’Lovesabunch. Or hell, Tim. There’s always this moment in comics, where the heroes are wondering whether to trust the stranger promising to help them, but who might also be luring them into a trap, and you’re like, come on, he’s wearing skulls for shoulderpads. He calls himself Murderlord. Do the math, dammit. Yeah, the backstory was kinda strange, I was wondering about some of the details about how it all works, but apparently it’s been much simplified from the comic books. But Vandal Savage seems like a good bad guy for the spinoff show, and Kendra seems like a good character from what we’ve seen of her. Hawkman seemed a bit like an asshole though. If he’s had 206 times to tell Hawkgirl what she’s going through, you’d think he’d be a bit better and gentler at it, instead of just swooping her away. Although it was funny that he swept her away just as Cisco was saying “every day it gets more normal” or whatever he said. But he’s only been on two episodes, I’m guessing they’ll fill out his character a bit more. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/32 "2015-12-04T15:48:42Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > As someone who doesn’t watch Arrow, I’m guessing I’m going to be completely lost this time. Well, other than Arrow’s expanded crew, I was surprisingly not lost. I didn’t really care about Oliver’s kid, but they gave just enough backstory that I wasn’t lost. And Legends of Tomorrow actually looks pretty cool. I hadn’t been paying attention to any of the news on it so I had no idea it was a time travel show. ---
**Author:** ![Abner\_Ravenwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@Abner\_Ravenwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abner_Ravenwood)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/33 "2015-12-04T15:50:09Z")
> [@Habeed](#): > > This creates the problem that nobody, audience or in show, would believe that she’s a major geek. Her dialogue seems to reflect that. Felicity is runway model pretty, like 9 or 10 out of 10 in almost anyone’s book. What would motivate someone like that to hit the books for the thousands of hours it takes to develop the kind of elite technical skills she supposedly has? Obviously, everyone wants to party with her and the most elite men in around her are going to be doing everything they can to impress her and/or hit that. > > There’s also the problem of outcomes, evolutionary psych stuff, etc. Point is, women who have both those kind of looks and elite technical skills are vanishingly rare for a reason, and it’s probably not just sex discrimination. (who would discriminate against someone that attractive?!) It’s a common enough trope. Felicity’s a [Hollywood Nerd](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodNerd). Just throw on a pair of [Nerd Glasses](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NerdGlasses) and voila, she’s a nerd. A Hollywood Nerd may also be [Hollywood Homely](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodHomely), [Hollywood Pudgy](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodPudgy) and [Beautiful All Along](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeautifulAllAlong). ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/34 "2015-12-05T01:03:21Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > That didn’t really bother me. I imagine that Barry and Felicity talk occasionally and keep each other up on what’s going on (except for Barry breaking his back but that was because he’s ashamed about that). And it showed them all meeting up, then hanging out at Oliver’s having drinks, I was guessing that they filled in everyone about some stuff while off screen. Makes sense that Barry and Felicity keep in touch. Come to think of it, Cisco developed Oliver’s new suit, as well as being consulted by Felicity for Arrow’s new secret lair. Cisco and Felicity could have traded office gossip then. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Well, other than Arrow’s expanded crew, I was surprisingly not lost. I didn’t really care about Oliver’s kid, but they gave just enough backstory that I wasn’t lost. Oliver’s ex (the kid’s mother) appeared during the previous crossover event. Since that was a year ago, they must have been setting all of this up for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/35 "2015-12-05T13:52:29Z")
They set up “Oliver has a kid” quite a while ago - was wondering when that would pay off. Though I seriously wondered if he would tell Felicity the second time around. How exactly would the Mom know of Oliver told the whole team about his son? IMHO he should have told Felicity, and probably the whole team. Just has to say “I have a son with a girl from high school”. This is going to bite him - maybe not tomorrow, but someday" I find it interesting that the actress who plays Kendra is Ciara Renee (close to Shiera / Shayera / Chay-Ara ) Brian ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2015, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/36 "2015-12-05T14:23:31Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Also, their freaking wings aren’t supposed to be part of them! They don’t even give them flight, just help them control flight caused by belts made of Nth metal… In the Justice League animated series, Hawkgirl is from Thanagar, and the wings are part of their bodies and are what make them fly. Hawkman was human who found a crashed spaceship in Egypt. He had the Nth metal strap on wings for flying. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/37 "2015-12-06T13:53:16Z")
It’s probably just me, but after accepting all the time travel, magic, reincarnation and superpowers, the thing that I had trouble accepting was that Oliver Queen (multimillionaire, with a well-known and dramatic backstory (orphaned, missing and believed dead for a long time, and then discovered to be alive) and active candidate for mayor in a major American city) can walk through a coffee shop in another major American city without people reacting to him. P.S. So the guy who kept telling them that Vandal Savage was too dangerous to oppose, and that they should just give him whatever he wanted, actually was an ally of Savage. What a surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/38 "2015-12-06T19:40:24Z")
When I worked in Chicago there were certain parts of the city so used to having celebrities walk through that everyone was totally blasé about it. If the city is big enough it’s not improbable, especially if said celebrity is NOT an actor. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/39 "2015-12-06T20:57:20Z")
I have a reprint of the very first Hawkman comic. It had Khufu, Shiera (how they spelled it), reincarnation, Hath-set (who wasn’t Vandal Savage, but still), and Nth metal. I really liked that they employed all this. Oh,I thought Vandal Savage was [spoiler]originally a caveman who got zapped by mysterious rays from a sky rock. So are they changing it so he was zapped in Ancient Egypt instead? I think the caveman origin is cooler, but if they have to link them up with the Hawks, I guess it makes sense.] Also, this storyline was fun. When I see the trailers for Dawn of Justice, it looks so grim. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422/40 "2015-12-06T23:01:14Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > No, Reverse Flash is _Professor_ Zoom. And Iris was born in the 30th century. But not the Legion’s 30th century. No–Iris’s 30th Century was a single huge jeweled building the size of a city in a world that was otherwise nuked only one other city remains and water is super-rare. And, IIRC, they were being menaced by an evil Vietnamese dictator. Who was dressed in Captain Comet’s uniform, dyed blue. Because…reasons. Also, yeah, he gets really pissy if you call him “Reverse Flash”, he IS _Professor_ Zoom. Sometimes it’s better to just ignore the comics. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-arrow-crossover-dec-1-2-2015-open-spoilers-after-airing/738422.md?page=3)