# the Flash - New TV Series **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 4, 2014, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023 "2014-06-04T14:21:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Santos\_L\_Halper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/santos_l_halper/32/1_2.png) [@Santos\_L\_Halper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santos_L_Halper)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/1 "2014-06-04T14:21:48Z")
Anyone else see the [extended trailer for the Flash TV series](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj0l7iGKh8g) coming to the CW network this fall? I never really cared for DC comics, preferring Marvel. but this looks like it might be pretty good. They can certainly do a lot more with special effects than what was available on the 1990 version where John Wesley Shipp played the Flash (Shipp’s in the new series as Barry Allen’s father). ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/2 "2014-06-04T18:00:06Z")
CW is doing pretty well with these - I’m looking forward to this one. I’m hoping some of the ‘meta human’ stuff spills over into Arrow as well… ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/3 "2014-06-04T18:04:58Z")
It looked good enough for me that it got me watching Arrow. It looks like they’re following the crappy “New 52” continuity but still…and I saw Zoom\* and Weather Wizard and I thought I heard a Captain Cold clue (the cyclotron maybe? I don’t remember what it was). The big problem with the '90s Flash is he had nothing to do. He fought the Trickster once or twice and one other super-villain once, but mostly, it was just Barry vs bank robbers and really? Who cares about that more than once. \*who has to be in there, post-Flashpoint since Zoom went into the past to kill Barry’s mommy and frame Barry’s daddy ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/4 "2014-06-04T18:13:57Z")
It looks like they’re using whatever they want as inspiration for their own continuity – I think the woman in the trailer is supposed to be Killer Frost (pre-powers, presumably). She’s not usually a Flash villain, _and_ would seem to be stepping on Captain Cold’s MO. The best thing about the Flash has always been his relationship with the Rogues, so it would be good if that carries over. However, it seems they’re changing the Rogues to being metahumans rather than using gadgets, and Weather Wizard in the trailer seemed to have more of the bog-standard villain motivation than the Rogues are portrayed as. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/5 "2014-06-04T18:38:25Z")
It looks way better than the ads I’m seeing for Gotham. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/6 "2014-06-04T19:23:42Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > The best thing about the Flash has always been his relationship with the Rogues, so it would be good if that carries over. However, it seems they’re changing the Rogues to being metahumans rather than using gadgets I agree with you completely. The particular piece of stupidity you commented on about them being metahumans originated in the post-Flashpoint New 52 stuff. The Rogues all got their weapon’s powers transferred into them personally in an early post-Flashpoint story (although apparently Captain Cold recently got de-powered and re-weaponed). ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/7 "2014-06-05T13:56:57Z")
Why is his costume so dark? The reason Flash always wore red was that, while he was traveling at superspeed he was basically invisible, and then, when he stopped in front of the bad guy, pop! he’d be there in bright red and that would create a bit of a shock. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/8 "2014-06-05T14:53:37Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Why is his costume so dark? The reason Flash always wore red was that, while he was traveling at superspeed he was basically invisible, and then, when he stopped in front of the bad guy, pop! he’d be there in bright red and that would create a bit of a shock. The loud primaries of the comics don’t work on film/video; every superhero show i’ve ever scene darkened the colors or eliminated the costume altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/9 "2014-06-05T15:01:54Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Why is his costume so dark? The reason Flash always wore red was that, while he was traveling at superspeed he was basically invisible, and then, when he stopped in front of the bad guy, pop! he’d be there in bright red and that would create a bit of a shock. > **[Marvel and DC couldn't be farther apart when it comes to their wholesome heroes](https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/marvel-dc-captain-america-superman-debate/)** > > While DC goes 'gritty' with their wholesome hero, Marvel embraces a do-gooder Captain America.  DC has chosen to go dark. They REALLY like the Frank Miller Batman and have taken everything that direction in their film/tv media. Marvel has chosen lighter - at least the Disney properties (Avengers). (The bright primaries do look garish on film, which means Marvel has toned down its brights in favor of Iron Man’s muted maroon, but DC is also making a much darker thematic choice. ) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/10 "2014-06-05T15:07:07Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > every superhero show i’ve ever scene darkened the colors or _eliminated the costume altogether_. Now there’s a reason to make a Wonder Woman show. Oh… you meant “dressed them in more conventional outfits”. Never mind… ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/11 "2014-06-05T15:34:26Z")
I’m really looking forward to it. I loved the 90s Flash show and even have it on DVD. It definitely doesn’t hold up to time, and me being older, but it’s still fun. This looks like it could hold up over time. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/12 "2014-06-05T15:35:34Z")
I’ll probably watch. I’m not a DC fan and never have been. But it looks pretty good. And it has Tom Cavanagh and Jeese L. Martin in it. I wish I had been into Arrow from the beginning now I have to catch up. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/13 "2014-06-05T17:20:40Z")
I’ll give it a shot. Will Felicity Smoak make some guest appearances? Brian ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/14 "2014-06-05T17:45:53Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > I’ll give it a shot. Will Felicity Smoak make some guest appearances? Only if they eliminate her costume. (Good-god-damn EB Rickards is hot… and I gave up making such comments a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2014, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/15 "2014-06-07T15:47:09Z")
> [@Santos\_L\_Halper](#): > > Anyone else see the [extended trailer for the Flash TV series](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj0l7iGKh8g) coming to the CW network this fall? > > I never really cared for DC comics, preferring Marvel. but this looks like it might be pretty good. They can certainly do a lot more with special effects than what was available on the 1990 version where John Wesley Shipp played the Flash (Shipp’s in the new series as Barry Allen’s father). Just now watched it. Looks pretty good. Have been enjoying the slow build of Arrow, looks like Flash will be off to a quicker start. Glad they are keeping the connection that was established between the two shows. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/16 "2014-06-08T00:32:56Z")
So I watched the trailer and need to ask – where’s Mopee? ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2014, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/17 "2014-06-08T12:39:54Z")
I stopped watching the trailer and stopped watching after “he killed my mom.” Obviously, they aren’t going to do anything original with the series if they have to start out with that cliche. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2014, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/18 "2014-06-08T13:55:54Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > I stopped watching the trailer and stopped watching after “he killed my mom.” Obviously, they aren’t going to do anything original with the series if they have to start out with that cliche. You are of course, completely correct. Nothing that uses a cliche in any way can possibly have any originality or worth. It should all be dismissed out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/19 "2014-06-08T21:36:55Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > I stopped watching the trailer and stopped watching after “he killed my mom.” Obviously, they aren’t going to do anything original with the series if they have to start out with that cliche. So you’ll be skipping **Gotham** as well. They even go to the trouble of recreating Miller’s image of young Bruce kneeling between his two dead parents in Crime Alley. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023/20 "2014-06-09T09:59:14Z")
“Crime Alley”? Why the HELL would anyone take a nighttime stroll down a street called “Crime Alley”? And with a small child, yet? I used to feel sorry for Bruce Wayne, at least a little. Now, I think he was probably raised better by Alfred and Aunt Harriet than his mom and dad were equipped to do… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-new-tv-series/690023.md?page=2)