# The Flash S02E01: The Man Who Saved Central City **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 7, 2015, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799 "2015-10-07T12:36:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/1 "2015-10-07T12:36:11Z")
You can always trust Cisco to hang a lampshade on the otherwise ridiculous nature of the Flash universe. His best line was remarking on the better security at Mercury Labs, where people can’t just walk in all the time. Even better, that was just a setup for the end of the episode, when he says he’s beefed up security at STAR Labs so no one can just walk in - then Jay Garrick just walks in. Jay Garrick! I am glad we were spared six months of angsty Barry Allen going at it alone. Just enough in this episode to establish that he was indeed working alone and then the team gets back together, minus Harrison Wells. (Tom Cavanagh is still in the credits - and not as a guest star either, unlike Rick Cosnett - so what’s going to be his future role?) Poor Caitlin can’t catch a break, losing her husband on their wedding day. Now why wasn’t Firestorm also credited with saving Central City? And finally, ZOOM! ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/2 "2015-10-07T13:03:19Z")
Sorry about you spending six extra months in jail dad, I had the blues. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/3 "2015-10-07T13:03:59Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Tom Cavanagh is still in the credits - and not as a guest star either, unlike Rick Cosnett - so what’s going to be his future role? Well, this episode established that even if someone (like Rothstein) dies, his counterpart from an alternate reality (the other Rothstein) can show up. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/4 "2015-10-07T13:05:05Z")
I’m not so sure I want back-to-back speedsters as the season-long arc, but I really enjoy the show (much more than Arrow) and I’m hoping they do something fresh. I hope that somehow Edge as Atom Smasher comes back as a tweener. We also got another glimpse of Cisco’s powers. I hadn’t paid attention to the casting of Jay Garrick, but they really should have gotten someone older. Regarding Firestorm and Eddie Thawne: Obviously Firestorm isn’t dead as he is a main character on Legends of Tomorrow, the upcoming series. As for the actor playing Eddie, he nabbed himself a recurring role on one of the new network shows…Quantico, I think, though I’m not looking it up at this time. Unlikely we’ll see much of him. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/5 "2015-10-07T13:09:16Z")
My inner child fanboy is squeeing over Jay Garrick, with the helmet. It’s a Silver Age geek’s dream come true. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/6 "2015-10-07T13:31:04Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I hadn’t paid attention to the casting of Jay Garrick, but they really should have gotten someone older. > > Regarding Firestorm and Eddie Thawne: > > Obviously Firestorm isn’t dead as he is a main character on Legends of Tomorrow, the upcoming series. As for the actor playing Eddie, he nabbed himself a recurring role on one of the new network shows…Quantico, I think, though I’m not looking it up at this time. Unlikely we’ll see much of him. [spoiler]No, Martin Stein has been confirmed to be on Legends of Tomorrow. Ronnie Raymond hasn’t. Rick Cosnett had a guest spot in the second episode of Quantico. It remains to be seen how often he’ll appear. He might have time to pop over to Central City every once in a while.[/spoiler] I agree Jay Garrick could be older, but his voice sounds exactly right. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/7 "2015-10-07T13:39:26Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > [spoiler]No, Martin Stein has been confirmed to be on Legends of Tomorrow. Ronnie Raymond hasn’t. > > Rick Cosnett had a guest spot in the second episode of Quantico. It remains to be seen how often he’ll appear. He might have time to pop over to Central City every once in a while.[/spoiler] Ronnie Raymond and Eddie Thawne: I thought I saw Firestorm, but it looks like Robbie Amell will be on X-Files, so I was mistaken. I know Cosnett has a recurring gig for the first season. How the two shooting schedules work is anyone’s guess. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/8 "2015-10-07T13:41:35Z")
Was Atom Smasher killed or just knocked out? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/9 "2015-10-07T14:24:20Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > My inner child fanboy is squeeing over Jay Garrick, with the helmet. It’s a Silver Age geek’s dream come true. ^ This. This is why, despite Gotham being better acted, SHIELD being more complex plots, Daredevil having better fight coreography and so on, Flash is by far my favorite of the current crop of super-hero shows. It’s accessible to noobs, but it’s also a love letter to Silver Age fanboys. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/10 "2015-10-07T16:41:04Z")
I would have liked a scene with Barry and Henry visiting the grave of Barry’s mother - I doubt Henry ever had the chance to do so, since he was arrested minutes after the murder. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/11 "2015-10-07T18:24:37Z")
I was wondering if Barry was going to remember to disguise his voice at the Flash Day ceremony. As for Firestorm I think there will be another character who will be the “other half” of Firestorm. That’s what they’ve done in the comics. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/12 "2015-10-07T18:42:47Z")
If they’re pulling people in and out of various universes maybe that’s how they manage a Killer Frost appearance. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/13 "2015-10-08T00:30:50Z")
I know it doesn’t pay to think to closely about time travel, but since I thought of this I’m going to inflict this on my fellow Dopers. Since Eddie Thawne shot himself causing Eobard Thawne to derez, who was it that made the confession of killing Barry’s mother? It would have to be Harrison Wells himself. If, as seems likely, we get another Dr Wells from another universe, he would wanted for murder in this universe. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/14 "2015-10-08T00:36:46Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Since Eddie Thawne shot himself causing Eobard Thawne to derez, who was it that made the confession of killing Barry’s mother? If Eobard was never born, who was it that killed Barry’s mother? ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/15 "2015-10-08T00:47:32Z")
The other Waldo Pepper wrote: “If Eobard was never born, who was it that killed Barry’s mother?” Eobard, of course. But he did it _before_ he was never born. Nobody can say time travel doesn’t work this way or that until there is actual experimental data on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/16 "2015-10-08T01:10:48Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > The other Waldo Pepper wrote: “If Eobard was never born, who was it that killed Barry’s mother?” > > Eobard, of course. But he did it _before_ he was never born. > > Nobody can say time travel doesn’t work this way or that until there is actual experimental data on the subject. Yeah, I guess only killing Eobard was affected. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/17 "2015-10-08T02:54:03Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > (Tom Cavanagh is still in the credits - and not as a guest star either, so what’s going to be his future role?) > > ! The real Harrison Wells? Or whatever the universe uses to fill the Wells shaped hole in it. Barry’s mom probably falls under “fixed point in time.” Something unfortunate would’ve happened to her which implicated his dad and laid the groundwork for Barry’s emergence as The Flash. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/18 "2015-10-09T02:14:27Z")
I’m waiting for the daughter or son Wells didn’t know he had. _Then_ we’ll see some wars of the worlds. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/19 "2015-10-09T02:25:47Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m waiting for the daughter or son Wells didn’t know he had. _Then_ we’ll see some wars of the worlds. Should Barry have contacted Harrison Wells’ family to inform them about the confession…and maybe tell them the truth about what happened? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e01-the-man-who-saved-central-city/733799/20 "2015-10-09T02:46:06Z")
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