# The Flash S02E05: The Darkness and the Light **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 4, 2015, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605 "2015-11-04T12:32:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/21 "2015-11-06T14:28:50Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > The other question is how did Zoom know Barry dated Linda Park? That all happened before the breach. I figured that was just a coincidence, no? > [@](#): > > Also, did you notice the look Cisco gave Harry when he was explaining how to create duplicate images of The Flash? How would he know how to do that? Harry had been at it with Jay for so long to combat Zoom, et al, I’m sure he has plenty of knowledge of what a speedster can do. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/22 "2015-11-06T14:32:08Z")
Harry’s daughter is the future speedster Jesse Quick. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/23 "2015-11-06T14:53:55Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Harry had been at it with Jay for so long to combat Zoom, et al, I’m sure he has plenty of knowledge of what a speedster can do. I’m surprised of “run up behind her real fast and hit her in the back of the head” wasn’t Option A. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/24 "2015-11-06T16:25:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m surprised of “run up behind her real fast and hit her in the back of the head” wasn’t Option A. Right? Also, why didn’t she just blind him again? Usually Cisco comes up with a countermeasure for that kinda shit, like photo-sensitive contacts or something. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/25 "2015-11-06T16:39:02Z")
Also, I thought Zoom’s costume was yellow, not unlike the Reverse Flash. But here he looked like Black Flash. I don’t know enough about the comics, and I think Prof. Zoom was the Black Flash at some point. But other than the producers not wanting to confuse the audience with two big bad’s wearing the same yellow color suit, why would Zoom have a black, Deathly look? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/26 "2015-11-06T16:43:37Z")
At least give him skis! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/27 "2015-11-06T23:34:49Z")
Anyway, they’re hammering the “Earth 2 villain feels compelled to kill their Earth 1 counterpart for some reason” too hard to tule out that Zoom is the Earth 2 Barry Allen. They may be trying to justify Zoom’s hatred of Barry by establishing that killing your counterpart is just what one _does_ when one hails from Earth 2. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/28 "2015-11-06T23:55:04Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Right? > > Also, why didn’t she just blind him again? Usually Cisco comes up with a countermeasure for that kinda shit, like photo-sensitive contacts or something. She didn’t have her helmet anymore, did she? I figured that if she didn’t have the helmet, any attempt to blind Flash would blind her too. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Anyway, they’re hammering the “Earth 2 villain feels compelled to kill their Earth 1 counterpart for some reason” too hard to tule out that Zoom is the Earth 2 Barry Allen. They may be trying to justify Zoom’s hatred of Barry by establishing that killing your counterpart is just what one _does_ when one hails from Earth 2. Originally, I thought Dr. Light’s idea was that if she killed the Earth-1 Linda Park, she could hide from Zoom by pretending to be the Earth-1 Linda Park - but, of course, committing the murder in a very public place would ruin that plan. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/29 "2015-11-07T07:27:44Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Also, I thought Zoom’s costume was yellow, not unlike the Reverse Flash. But here he looked like Black Flash. I don’t know enough about the comics, and I think Prof. Zoom was the Black Flash at some point. But other than the producers not wanting to confuse the audience with two big bad’s wearing the same yellow color suit, why would Zoom have a black, Deathly look? Zoom in the comics is also known as Reverse Flash. To make things even more confusing, Eobard Thawne - whom we’ve seen as Reverse Flash on the TV show - is also known as Professor Zoom in the comics. Both Reverse Flashes were similar yellow costumes. You can see why the TV show would want to differentiate their Season 1 Big Bad from the Season 2 Big Bad. Black Flash was something else entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/30 "2015-11-07T15:39:16Z")
Has [this](http://imgur.com/cEO0wRU) picture of Zoom been posted here yet? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/31 "2015-11-07T16:10:53Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > She didn’t have her helmet anymore, did she? I figured that if she didn’t have the helmet, any attempt to blind Flash would blind her too. :smack: Ah, you’re right. Still, she could close her eyes and make a blinding flash (heh). Enough where he was blinded for several seconds, like a flash-bang, then just burn a hole through Barry’s chest. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/32 "2015-11-07T16:56:38Z")
Is the Jay Garrick of Earth-1 accounted for or could he be in the running for Zoom? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/33 "2015-11-07T17:04:07Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > “but apparently you’re just a diiiick” for best line reading of the year. > [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Geez that line killed me. Cisco gets some of the best lines. A lot of it was the delivery, which was awesome, but yeah, fantastic line. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/34 "2015-11-08T18:55:49Z")
> [@Uniqueorn](#): > > Is the Jay Garrick of Earth-1 accounted for or could he be in the running for Zoom? Well, Zoom is the Big Bad in Earth-2, so whatever Jay from Earth-1 is up to, I don’t see how he could be the Zoom who’s been terrorizing Earth-2 for years before the Singularity opened. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605/35 "2015-11-08T19:04:39Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Has [this](http://imgur.com/cEO0wRU) picture of Zoom been posted here yet? That looks almost organic. I mean, the mask has _wrinkles_? It’s also not joined to the jacket, the way Barry’s is… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e05-the-darkness-and-the-light/736605.md?page=1)