# The Flash S02E19: Back to Normal **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 27, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253 "2016-04-27T12:50:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/1 "2016-04-27T12:50:21Z")
Barry loses his speed and Wally goes back to being an overeager puppy-dog. I hope this is the last we’ll see of Wally’s hero worship, as it was becoming annoying by the end of the episode. The writers better give him something better to do. Maybe he’ll gain powers when Wells-2 recreates the accident that gave Barry his speed. (Shades of Flashpoint!) With Caitlin stuck on Earth-2, Iris is actually coming into her own as part of Team Flash. I like how, at the scene of Wells’ kidnapping, she nonchalantly retrieved Wells’ weapon from the wrecked van. The metahuman-of-the-week was straight out of Season 1. S1-Flash would have had some difficulty defeating him. S2-Flash with all his powers would have had no trouble at all. As it was, he was actually a good foil for normal Barry and all of Team Flash (minus Caitlin). Is this the last we’ll see of Killer Frost? That would be rather disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/2 "2016-04-27T13:19:46Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Wally’s hero worship, as it was becoming annoying by the end of the episode. The writers better give him something better to do. Maybe he’ll gain powers when Wells-2 recreates the accident that gave Barry his speed. > [@](#): > > Is this the last we’ll see of Killer Frost? That would be rather disappointing. I wonder if Caitlin will get Frost’s powers when the accident gets recreated, plus something of Frost’s mindset when she looks into that question about her brother. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/3 "2016-04-27T13:41:37Z")
I forgot to remark on one thing: Cisco didn’t christen the metahuman. He must be losing his touch. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I wonder if Caitlin will get Frost’s powers when the accident gets recreated, plus something of Frost’s mindset when she looks into that question about her brother. That would be awesome, except that Caitlin is still stuck on Earth-2. Her unknown brother is certainly a good plot hook, though. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/4 "2016-04-27T14:00:36Z")
Every time Wally came up to Joe and asked to meet with Flash, I added the line “If you don’t, you’ll disappoint me as a father.” ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/5 "2016-04-27T16:53:19Z")
So now we know how we’ll end up with 3 hero(?) speedsters by the end of the season. Plus more options for metahuman-of-the-week storylines. Maybe this time Barry could actually be “the fastest man alive”, because so far every speedster villain has been faster. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/6 "2016-04-27T20:02:25Z")
The Man in the Iron Mask bit is still so ridiculous. Everyone spends weeks or months locked up in a cell next to this guy and no one figures out how to communicate with him despite **having nothing else to do!** ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/7 "2016-04-27T20:18:13Z")
In the comics, doesn’t Wally get his powers when Barry recreates the accident that gave him his in an attempt to show what happened? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/8 "2016-04-27T22:24:50Z")
> [@Johnny\_Q](#): > > In the comics, doesn’t Wally get his powers when Barry recreates the accident that gave him his in an attempt to show what happened? Not exactly, it was a recreation of the initial “lightning bolt hitting shelf of Barry’s chemicals” accident, but it was totally a coincidence and not something Barry or anyone set off. “I hope this is the last we’ll see of Wally’s hero worship” Wally’s supposed to be the Barry Flash’s biggest fan, that’s been part of his character for 50+ years. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/9 "2016-04-27T22:26:02Z")
When Killer Frost criticized Caitlin’s clothes, I couldn’t help remembering what her own costume looked like in the 1980’s–which wasn’t so great: [https://www.google.com/search?q=original+look+of+DC+killer+frost&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjf8aGE7q\_MAhXBZj4KHddDD7wQsAQIMA&biw=1280&bih=915#imgrc=26fPURvxS4RFgM%3A](https://www.google.com/search?q=original+look+of+DC+killer+frost&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjf8aGE7q_MAhXBZj4KHddDD7wQsAQIMA&biw=1280&bih=915#imgrc=26fPURvxS4RFgM%3A) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/10 "2016-04-27T23:42:20Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Not exactly, it was a recreation of the initial “lightning bolt hitting shelf of Barry’s chemicals” accident, but it was totally a coincidence and not something Barry or anyone set off. > " So it was more a case of: “So I was right over here, right where you’re standing now, processing some samples when…” **cha-BAM!** “Yeah, that happened.” ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/11 "2016-04-28T02:36:07Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > “I hope this is the last we’ll see of Wally’s hero worship” > > Wally’s supposed to be the Barry Flash’s biggest fan, that’s been part of his character for 50+ years. Producers changed Barry from blond to brunet, made the West family black, and invented the character of Harrison Wells. Here’s hoping the hero worship is one aspect of Wally’s personality that they drop. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/12 "2016-04-28T02:53:13Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > The Man in the Iron Mask bit is still so ridiculous. Everyone spends weeks or months locked up in a cell next to this guy and no one figures out how to communicate with him despite **having nothing else to do!** Barry and Jesse figured out how to communicate with him, but Zoom showed up before they could get more out of him than “Jay”. And threatened to kill him if he communicated with them any more. But Jesse is the only one we know that has really spent a lengthy period of time jailed next to him. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/13 "2016-04-28T06:13:33Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > The Man in the Iron Mask bit is still so ridiculous. Everyone spends weeks or months locked up in a cell next to this guy and no one figures out how to communicate with him despite **having nothing else to do!** He’s chosen an absolutely idiotic means of communication (it would make sense for people who can’t see each other - but he knows they can see him. He needs to do something visual and uncoded). I’m at the point where he deserves to stay in that stupid glass cage. Also, shouldn’t they just tell Wally already? Didn’t they learn last year that not telling Iris was a poor choice? Why are they recreating that situation? Wally lives with Barry - just tell him already. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/14 "2016-04-28T12:37:52Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > He’s chosen an absolutely idiotic means of communication (it would make sense for people who can’t see each other - but he knows they can see him. He needs to do something visual and uncoded). I’m at the point where he deserves to stay in that stupid glass cage. > > Also, shouldn’t they just tell Wally already? Didn’t they learn last year that not telling Iris was a poor choice? Why are they recreating that situation? Wally lives with Barry - just tell him already. You mean like drawing letters in the air? It would be so much faster. Brian ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/15 "2016-04-28T14:15:14Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > So now we know how we’ll end up with 3 hero(?) speedsters by the end of the season. Plus more options for metahuman-of-the-week storylines. Maybe this time Barry could actually be “the fastest man alive”, because so far every speedster villain has been faster. I really hope the big bad of next season isn’t a speedster. Although I don’t know enough about his rogues gallery to know who would make a good season long villain. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/16 "2016-04-28T14:23:01Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Although I don’t know enough about his rogues gallery to know who would make a good season long villain. Done right, Mirror Master would be a great recurring villain. And given all the time travel and other earths I wouldn’t mind seeing Mr. Snart again. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/17 "2016-04-28T15:49:12Z")
Speaking of Snart, am I the only one who thought Killer Frost was trying to (badly) channel Snart’s dialog delivery style? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/18 "2016-04-28T17:18:40Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I really hope the big bad of next season isn’t a speedster. Although I don’t know enough about his rogues gallery to know who would make a good season long villain. The Top is a likely candidate (he has super-spinning-speed and mind control abilities). Grodd has already been used, but could return with mind powers enhanced. Cobalt Blue is another superspeed villain from the future. Mirror Master is my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/19 "2016-04-28T18:11:33Z")
I apologize if this has been addressed in an earlier thread, but I’m having a tough time parsing out what we’re supposed to understand about the two Zolomons. Here’s what I’ve got; please let me know where I’m wrong: Hunter Zolomon on Earth 2 is a psychopath serial killer who thought it would be fun to give the people of his Earth some hope before he dashes it. So he goes back in time to find himself, and then bring him to the present. Now there are 2 Zolomons, the original who goes by Zoom, and the younger version who calls himself The Flash and acts like a hero, even though he can’t stop Zoom. So the younger Zolomon comes to Earth 1, calls himself Jay Garrick, and pretends to be working with team Flash. All part of the plan. Younger Zolomon and Caitlyn develop a relationship, which wasn’t part of the plan. Team Flash fights Zoom, banishing him back to Earth 2, but not before Zoom kills younger Zolomon. Is that basically it? Here’s the part I don’t get – if it was younger Zolomon who had the relationship with Caitlyn, why does Zoom / current Zolomon say that he loves her? He never had a single conversation with her, and clearly younger Zolomon was part of a different time stream, since he’s dead and Zoom is still alive. What am I missing? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253/20 "2016-04-28T18:31:39Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Every time Wally came up to Joe and asked to meet with Flash, I added the line “If you don’t, you’ll disappoint me as a father.” Yes. I don’t know what it is about the character, but every little bit of his delivery just seems to be weighed down by some great injustice that’s perpetually being done to him by everybody else, coupled with some passive-aggressive air of ‘nah it’s OK, I don’t really expect anything from people anyway’. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Speaking of Snart, am I the only one who thought Killer Frost was trying to (badly) channel Snart’s dialog delivery style? Yes, I thought it was intentional, both being cold-based characters. But I found it exceptionally grating in this case (and hope we’re not going to see more of that character). It didn’t seem so much a hommage as as it did like the actress suddenly suffering brain damage and completely forgetting how to act as a result. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s02e19-back-to-normal/753253.md?page=2)