# The Flash S03E23: Finish Line **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2017, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331 "2017-05-24T09:18:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/1 "2017-05-24T09:18:23Z")
Was there ever any question that Savitar would be defeated? If you had figured out last week that HR had replaced Iris, then the episode played out pretty much as you’d expect. If only HR hadn’t revealed himself almost immediately, then maybe Savitar would never have realized the deception. He’d have carried on for a few hours until the moment he derezzed and the drama with the Speedforce coming back for blood would never have happened (since Jay Garrick would still be trapped in there). How does the derezzing process work anyway? When Eddie shot himself, Eobard derezzed almost immediately. Now Barry alters Savitar’s moment of origin, and it takes a few hours for Savitar’s ultimate destruction. But when Barry does something new, Savitar remembers the event immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/2 "2017-05-24T13:53:37Z")
That felt like a lackluster finale. The death worked exactly as everyone guessed. To me it would have been more interesting if Savitar/Future Barry really did want to turn over a new leaf. One thing: my DVR cut early. Did anything happen at the end after the close up of Iris crying? ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/3 "2017-05-24T17:44:14Z")
Barry should’ve taken H.R. to the hospital. Sure he might’ve died there, but they could’ve _tried_. Very irritating. I wouldn’t be surprised if Caitlin/Killer Frost referred to herself as “Doctor Snow.” Nice compromise. How are they going to explain Barry’s absence? Say he’s dead? What? There’s no body. They can’t even swap in Savittar. Hope Supergirl doesn’t pop over to get over her grief over losing Mon El to see her friend Barry… ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/4 "2017-05-25T00:50:20Z")
How the hell did Iris **SHOOT** Savitar **with an ordinary bullet** , while he was **moving at super speed** toward Barry?!? For one, he would have been moving way too fast for her to draw a bead on him, unless she had superhuman sharpshooter reflexes. For another, even if she _did_ have superhuman sharpshooter reflexes, **Savitar runs faster than a speeding bullet!** The bullet would _not have caught up with him!_ ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/5 "2017-05-25T02:00:21Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > How the hell did Iris **SHOOT** Savitar **with an ordinary bullet** , while he was **moving at super speed** toward Barry?!? > > For one, he would have been moving way too fast for her to draw a bead on him, unless she had superhuman sharpshooter reflexes. For another, even if she _did_ have superhuman sharpshooter reflexes, **Savitar runs faster than a speeding bullet!** The bullet would _not have caught up with him!_ Plotforce, the most powerful force in the universe. Savitar had just gotten hit by a cold blast from Killer Frost. Cold tends to slow speedsters down. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/6 "2017-05-25T03:34:59Z")
So, with H. R. dead, is Harry going to hang around for awhile, or is Team Flash going to welcome a new doppelganger next season? It would be good if Harry stayed around to help find a way to bring Barry out of the Speed Force before heading back to Earth 2. (And maybe he could help Tracy with her grief over losing H. R.) ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/7 "2017-05-25T13:59:58Z")
If that sappy ending had gone on any longer it would have turned into a Very Special Episode. Great combo of subject and OP, btw… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/8 "2017-05-25T14:59:44Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Plotforce, the most powerful force in the universe. > > Savitar had just gotten hit by a cold blast from Killer Frost. Cold tends to slow speedsters down. Also, didn’t Barry just punch him? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/9 "2017-05-25T17:20:43Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > So, with H. R. dead, is Harry going to hang around for awhile, or is Team Flash going to welcome a new doppelganger next season? It would be good if Harry stayed around to help find a way to bring Barry out of the Speed Force before heading back to Earth 2. (And maybe he could help Tracy with her grief over losing H. R.) It sounded to me like he would stick around. You can now add “Iris pretending to be H.R.” to Tom’s resume. ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/10 "2017-05-25T17:54:51Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > If that sappy ending had gone on any longer it would have turned into a Very Special Episode. Also, the whole earthquake / lightning storm was still going on until he walked into the speed force. With the carnage all around, I kept wondering how many people had to die so that Barry could say all his good-byes. ---
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/11 "2017-05-25T18:15:21Z")
So Tom Cavanagh has played 5 different characters on “The Flash”. (Almost all without holotechnology.): [ol] [li]the real Dr. Harrison Wells (Earth-1, seen when Reverse Flash kills him and his wife)[/li][li]Reverse Flash, pretending to be Harrson Wells E-1[/li][li]Dr. Harry Wells E-2[/li][li]H.R. Wells E-19[/li][li]Iris West disguised as H.R.[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/12 "2017-05-25T18:37:22Z")
> [@AWB](#): > > So Tom Cavanagh has played 5 different characters on “The Flash”. (Almost all without holotechnology.): > > [ol] > [li]the real Dr. Harrison Wells (Earth-1, seen when Reverse Flash kills him and his wife)[/li][li]Reverse Flash, pretending to be Harrson Wells E-1[/li][li]Dr. Harry Wells E-2[/li][li]H.R. Wells E-19[/li][li]Iris West disguised as H.R.[/li][/ol] Don’t forget the other Wells they saw when searching for a replacement. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/13 "2017-05-25T19:22:12Z")
If the pattern so far holds, a new Wells will show up next season, and he’ll be a jerk, and actually a villain. Season 1 - Nice guy, villain. Season 2 - Jerkass, hero. Season 3 - Annoyingly nice guy, hero. So, season 4 - Jerk, villain. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/14 "2017-05-25T19:51:56Z")
I wonder if the presence of Clifford De Voe, the supervillain genius The Thinker, will mean the show doesn’t bring in a new Wells. Wells has always been a genius or someone supposed to be a genius. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/15 "2017-05-27T02:45:59Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > How the hell did Iris **SHOOT** Savitar **with an ordinary bullet** , while he was **moving at super speed** toward Barry?!? > > For one, he would have been moving way too fast for her to draw a bead on him, unless she had superhuman sharpshooter reflexes. For another, even if she _did_ have superhuman sharpshooter reflexes, **Savitar runs faster than a speeding bullet!** The bullet would _not have caught up with him!_ For that matter, how did Savitar take out 2 speedsters by chopping down trees as he passed by them. At the speeds they were going, the trees wouldn’t even have begun to fall yet. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/16 "2017-05-29T02:17:35Z")
I just had a thought: Wally lost his powers due to Savitar losing his memory because Barry lost his memory. Now that Savitar is no longer with us due to his never having been created in the first place, Wally should no longer have powers either. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/17 "2017-05-31T01:19:34Z")
“Wally, can you reverse the polarity of the neutron flow?” 🙂 Brian ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-s03e23-finish-line/787331/18 "2017-05-31T02:14:27Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > I just had a thought: Wally lost his powers due to Savitar losing his memory because Barry lost his memory. Now that Savitar is no longer with us due to his never having been created in the first place, Wally should no longer have powers either. Which means taht Wally could never try to help and release savitar from the speed force by accidently throwing the thing that would not be created that would release him. I really hate time travel - who writes this shit anyway?