# The Flash Season 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 10, 2017, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475 "2017-10-10T12:11:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/261 "2018-05-02T21:04:04Z")
Based on what she said is she Joe and Cecile’s daughter? the speed thing doesn’t quite fit though. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/262 "2018-05-03T00:59:49Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Based on what she said is she Joe and Cecile’s daughter? the speed thing doesn’t quite fit though. > > Brian Her speed lightning was both yellow and purple. Two colors of lightning isn’t something we’ve seen before. However, Barry’s lightning is yellow and Iris’s was purple. Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2018, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/263 "2018-05-03T10:57:54Z")
I got sufficiently motivated, and bored enough, to look up the 12 bus metas. Here they are in the order they were introduced to us: [ol] [li]Ramsey Deacon/Kilg%re - technomage[/li][li]Becky Sharpe/Hazard - super lucky[/li][li]Ralph Dibny/Elongated Man - elasticity, super strength, near invulnerability[/li][li]The Weeper - narcotic tears[/li][li]Mina Chaytan/Black Bison - effigy animation[/li][li]Dominic Lanse/Brainstorm - telepathy, mind control[/li][li]Neil Borman/Fallout - radiation generation[/li][li]Sylbert Rundine/Dwarfstar - shrinks objects[/li][li]Izzy Bowin/The Fiddler - sonic scream, sound manipulation?[/li][li]Matthew Kim/Melting Point - metapower transfer[/li][li]Janey Petty/Null - gravity manipulation[/li][li]Edwin Gauss/Folded Man - dimensional manipulation[/li][/ol] I was wrong when I said earlier that Devoe has assimilated all of them. Fallout was turned over to A.R.G.U.S. for protective custody. If Devoe truly intends to assimilate all the bus metas, then a future episode (of which there are only 3 left in the season) should see him breaking into A.R.G.U.S. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/264 "2018-05-03T19:57:01Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Her speed lightning was both yellow and purple. Two colors of lightning isn’t something we’ve seen before. However, Barry’s lightning is yellow and Iris’s was purple. Hmmm… Yeah she must be a grown up West-Allen. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/265 "2018-05-04T08:31:22Z")
I just watched the last episode and I hated almost everything about it. Barry is becoming more of an ass than ever (I remember, mostly not hating him in previous seasons. Now, he’s insufferable) The Enlightenment is even stupider than I suspected. Flowers for Algernon-ing the planet makes no sense as a solution to any perceived problem. And then, there’s Marlize. Apparently, she met a version of the unabomber who had no charm at all. And he insulted her and mansplained her own area of expertise to her until she fell in love with him… (which would probably bother me more if she weren’t such a crappy scientist. Apparently, she believes that she can check for water purity by looking at it unaided. She also comes to exactly the wrong conclusion after the attack on her outpost.) I suppose I’m supposed to think something about her defection - but whatever. I don’t think I’m making past the end of the season. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/266 "2018-05-09T08:36:28Z")
A filler episode. I’m not against the concept of filler episodes. Sometimes they can be the strongest ones of the season. _Supergirl_’s “Midvale” episode was almost all flashback, showing how Kara and Alex bonded as sisters when they were in high school. _Legends of Tomorrow_’s “Mama Mia” was a bottle episode that was a strong character study of Zari. It was also a very fun episode, like last season’s “Duet” which was, let’s face it, just an excuse to show off the singing talents of various cast members across the Arrowverse. This episode wasn’t a particularly bad filler episode, but neither was it a particularly good one. This late in the season, we really want to see how the overarching plot develops to its eventual denouement. We know Marlize is going to be key to bringing down Devoe and now Team Flash also realizes that, but that took up maybe 25% of the episode. This business with Amunet was just a distraction. On the other hand, re-introducing Amunet does fill us in on what was going on with Caitlin when she went of on her own at the end of last season. If the show writer were more competent, they would have shown us what happened back then rather than just telling us. Flashbacks showing how Caitlin met Amunet and that business with the placebo MacGuffin. Then how Amunet made use of Killer Frost and finally how Devoe hired Amunet to acquire bus metas. It could have shown us the development of the Caitlin/Killer Frost duality. Such a wasted opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/267 "2018-05-09T14:26:23Z")
DeVoe must’ve seen the article too, so Barry’s comment, “He can’t hide from us anymore” is wrong, because DeVoe can just change his appearance. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/268 "2018-05-10T00:22:13Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > DeVoe must’ve seen the article too, so Barry’s comment, “He can’t hide from us anymore” is wrong, because DeVoe can just change his appearance. I would have thought that Barry would use this (that Devoe could read the article, too) as an argument against Iris publishing the article, but apparently he didn’t think of that. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/269 "2018-05-10T00:44:39Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > I would have thought that Barry would use this (that Devoe could read the article, too) as an argument against Iris publishing the article, but apparently he didn’t think of that. It’s a little odd to think about a city newspaper’s article warning of an imminent world-wide threat - I guess Iris has to go with the publication that she can get something published in, but what are the papers in Arrow’s city reporting about this issue? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/270 "2018-05-10T04:16:20Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > It’s a little odd to think about a city newspaper’s article warning of an imminent world-wide threat - I guess Iris has to go with the publication that she can get something published in, but what are the papers in Arrow’s city reporting about this issue? When Damian Darhk and H.I.V.E. almost succeeded in killing off all of humanity, and in fact set off a nuke in the continental US, there was nary a peep about it in Central City. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/271 "2018-05-10T04:40:19Z")
Also, wouldn’t most people respond to this with some version of “why is the newspaper publishing tin foil hat brigade content?” DeVoe’s plan is nuts, even for a city that has had metahuman problems for years. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/272 "2018-05-10T10:53:06Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Also, wouldn’t most people respond to this with some version of “why is the newspaper publishing tin foil hat brigade content?” > > DeVoe’s plan is nuts, even for a city that has had metahuman problems for years. Exactly my thinking. The public knows that Barry has had some bad encounters with DeVoe (e.g. illegal search), so why would they believe this fantastic story from his wife? Brian ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/273 "2018-05-15T14:39:03Z")
I wonder if the twist is Devoe actually succeeds. What if the season ends with him successfully making everyone dumb? The day could still be saved by the Legends who are outside time and thus unaffected. They restore everyone and then Barry beats the Thinker. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/274 "2018-05-16T08:08:00Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > I would have thought that Barry would use this (that Devoe could read the article, too) as an argument against Iris publishing the article, but apparently he didn’t think of that. Given how the writers handled the whole “Trial of Barry Allen” subplot this season, I don’t think it was just Barry who “didn’t think of that”… ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/275 "2018-05-16T08:28:59Z")
I am pleased to have predicted that Devoe would break into ARGUS to retrieve Fallout. The sequence of him using all the bus meta powers was probably one of best villain fights of the whole Beeboverse. Loved the marble drop at the end, using Hazard’s powers to take out the last guard. Despite it introducing so many logical impossibilities and outright plot holes, I like the concept of Flashtime. Now Barry can imbue the Speedforce on others for a short time, effectively creating short-term mini-Flashes. It’s just cool. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/276 "2018-05-16T13:11:46Z")
The fact that Caitlyn apparently manifested Killer Frost as a child makes all the earlier scenes with Caitlyn and her mother have a different meaning. If I run across that earlier episode in reruns, I’ll watch it, so that I can see what I think about it (earlier, it was clear that Caitlyn and her mom don’t have the best relationship, but this new information probably makes things worse). ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/277 "2018-05-16T13:53:10Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > The sequence of him using all the bus meta powers was probably one of best villain fights of the whole Beeboverse. Loved the marble drop at the end, using Hazard’s powers to take out the last guard. Yes, that was a very cool scene! Cecille taking on the personas of people around her was goofy but funny. The actress went all out with the ‘pizza brah’ impression. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/278 "2018-05-16T14:41:06Z")
You know, other mad scientist evil genius types just _say_ “Fools, I’ll crush them like insects.” But Devoe actually _does_ it. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/279 "2018-05-16T15:48:11Z")
This latest episode didn’t disappoint with its bad use of science terminology either. CAITLIN: “We’d only be able to last a few moments before we burned out, like … 55 seconds of real time.” CISCO: “And **thanks to relativity** , that gives us just enough time to rescue the hostages” _Thanks to relativity?!_ What the hell does relativity have to do with it? Even in Flash Time, the speeds they’ll be moving at are only a few times the speed of sound. That’s nowhere near fast enough for any significant amount of time dilation to occur. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/280 "2018-05-16T20:47:17Z")
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