# The Flash Season 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 10, 2017, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475 "2017-10-10T12:11:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/101 "2017-11-22T22:02:57Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > So he likes the name “the Thinker”–other than Ralph, who refused to be called “Plastic Man”–have any of the people Cisco has named rejected their names? Well, that’s because he’s not Plastic Man. He’s the other stretchy guy, destined to be stuck on crowd control with Michael Carter because, as J’onn J’onzz has/will put it, “we don’t need two stretchy guys”. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/102 "2017-11-23T04:20:18Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Well, that’s because he’s not Plastic Man. He’s the other stretchy guy, destined to be stuck on crowd control with Michael Carter because, as J’onn J’onzz has/will put it, “we don’t need two stretchy guys”. Michael Carter? Are you talking about Green Lantern? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/103 "2017-11-23T04:43:55Z")
Michael Jon Carter. [The Greatest Story Never Told](http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Justice_League_Unlimited_(TV_Series)_Episode:_The_Greatest_Story_Never_Told) ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/104 "2017-11-23T04:50:50Z")
But I was in error, it was [Jon Stewart](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw17PRECpP4) telling Ralph Dibny that two stretchy guys weren’t needed. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/105 "2017-11-23T04:58:21Z")
Look! Up in the sky! It’s a bird! It’s a plane! It’s the joke flying over your head! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/106 "2017-11-24T00:55:30Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Look! Up in the sky! > It’s a bird! > It’s a plane! > It’s the joke flying over your head! 😃 :smack: ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/107 "2017-12-04T12:45:21Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’m not sure he has a choice. > > He states, in this episode, that his goal is saving humanity. As far as I can tell, that’s what he was after before Barry even became the Flash – and why he came up with the idea for the Thinking Cap, and got his wife to build that prototype, before Barry even became the Flash. So he’s already at work on whatever that plan is, when Joe and Barry show up at his place to start asking him some questions. > > He reassures them as best he can – enough to sucker Joe, and enough to sucker the rest of Team Flash when they hear about it second-hand – and if it had been enough to sucker _Barry,_ then maybe he’s done with Barry and gets back to his pre-existing plan. But then Barry shows up to ask some pointed questions at the guy’s job; and so DeVoe puts in a word to Barry’s boss, who is also suckered and tells Barry to leave the guy alone. And if that had been enough to stop Barry, then maybe DeVoe gets back to his original plan; but then Barry breaks into his house looking for evidence, and so DeVoe gets Barry suspended for weeks with a warning and a restraining order. > > And if that had been enough to stop Barry, then maybe DeVoe goes back to Plan A; but Barry promptly violates the restraining order to confront DeVoe yet again. So what the heck else can DeVoe _do,_ after that, other than try to take him down? He’s had Barry in his sights longer than that. The Samuroid kidnapped Irene, end game being presumably to plant a camera in Star Labs. Maybe also to bring the Flash back to himself if DeVoe needs to manipulate him to bring his plans to fruition. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/108 "2017-12-04T14:48:23Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > He’s had Barry in his sights longer than that. The Samuroid kidnapped Irene, end game being presumably to plant a camera in Star Labs. Maybe also to bring the Flash back to himself if DeVoe needs to manipulate him to bring his plans to fruition. It seems pretty clear that the Samuroid was intended to provoke Team Flash into bringing Barry back - and thus create the new metas. It’s not clear to me whether the main goal was creating new metas with having the Flash back as an undesired side-effect, or whether both are needed for the plan. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/109 "2017-12-04T16:30:16Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > It seems pretty clear that the Samuroid was intended to provoke Team Flash into bringing Barry back - and thus create the new metas. It’s not clear to me whether the main goal was creating new metas with having the Flash back as an undesired side-effect, or whether both are needed for the plan. Heh. What if it winds up being both? Like, what if all of this – sending the Samuroid to attack the city so Team Flash would bring Barry back next to a busload of folks who all thus became metas – was simply DeVoe hoping one of those Bus Metas would maybe get a healing touch that could cure DeVoe’s physical condition, because _maybe that’s all DeVoe’s plan is_: just getting back to solving purely mental problems, the way he was doing before. After all, that _is_ what he was doing before, right? So now imagine that, okay, the stretchy meta is a disappointment, and so is the meta who can bring statues to life – but instead of a Healing Touch meta, DeVoe wound up getting a Swap Minds meta out of the deal. And so DeVoe’s body is still going to die very soon, but he got what he wanted _in general_: a meta who can let DeVoe live on, for years or even decades, as a guy who solves purely mental problems. And so, in good Kill-Three-Birds-With-One-Stone fashion, he now decides, hey, since the Flash is now on to me, why not use that body-swap plan on _Barry Allen,_ seeing as how that would neutralize that guy while getting me superspeed? I was going to swap into someone; might as well be him… ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_M.Washington](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_m.washington/32/152_2.png) [@Gary\_M.Washington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_M.Washington)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/110 "2017-12-05T18:30:06Z")
Whenever I watch these super heroes I always think Why America is always attacked in super heroes movies. All th super heroes are only made of America only. Besides this it is really an enjoyable movie. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/111 "2017-12-06T01:51:49Z")
With the hair/makeup/accent I did not recognize Katee Sackoff as Amunet Brian ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/112 "2017-12-06T02:15:58Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > With the hair/makeup/accent I did not recognize Katee Sackoff as Amunet > > Brian Good lord I can’t stand her. She might be the worst actress in the history of acting. Why would they employ her on the show that otherwise cast good actors. Has she ever done a good job of acting? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/113 "2017-12-06T08:14:49Z")
It’s the mid-season finale and Christmas episode, where it’s traditional to have the Trickster come and spread cheer and explosive toys to the citizens of Central City. So where was he? Mark Hamill surely can’t be too busy these days, can he? Iris throws some shade on Felicity: “But I guess getting married during our wedding wasn’t on the registry either.” This deleted scene shows that Iris has had quite enough of Nazis interrupting her wedding, Felicity interrupting her vows, and - well, just watch: [The Flash 4x09 Deleted Scene — Interrupted Honeymoon - YouTube](https://youtu.be/3p_zHfvTyuo) Great bit of plotting, with Devoe recruiting Amunet (tying the A and B plots together) and showing that he’s still thinking far ahead of Team Flash. With Barry arrested for Devoe’s murder, I’m sure we’ll get the scene shown to us the first time the Flash ran through the Speedforce, with Barry in prison. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/114 "2017-12-06T08:34:48Z")
So, why is Wally in Cambodia, now? He shows up for the wedding, takes a back seat while everybody else fights the Earth-X Nazis, then pops off to Southeast Asia? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/115 "2017-12-06T21:33:55Z")
He left Team Flash a couple episodes ago. So he came back for Iris and Barry’s wedding, then left again. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/116 "2017-12-07T04:22:34Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > He left Team Flash a couple episodes ago. So he came back for Iris and Barry’s wedding, then left again. Kid Flash defeated Starro in Blue Valley before coming to the wedding. I’d like to believe he’s now in Cambodia fighting Grodd, eventually to join up with the Legends. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/117 "2017-12-07T04:28:54Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > He left Team Flash a couple episodes ago. So he came back for Iris and Barry’s wedding, then left again. I knew that. My question was “why Cambodia”? **Terminus Est** came up with a good explanation. He’s probably fighting Grodd. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/118 "2017-12-07T19:51:23Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > I knew that. My question was “why Cambodia”? **Terminus Est** came up with a good explanation. He’s probably fighting Grodd. That would probably be a tough fight with Grodd entrenched there for decades. It also would mean there were two Grodds on Earth One this entire time. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/119 "2017-12-10T16:02:44Z")
I liked the deleted scene, with Barry’s complaint about running “in flip flops”. Fun to imagine Ralph decorating the house, presumable using his stretching powers. But that raises another question: does he have a key to the house? Or did he break in? Maybe security there needs an upgrade, just as Star Labs does. Wait–he was wearing a Santa hat. DID RALPH COME DOWN THE CHIMNEY? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475/120 "2018-01-10T17:36:55Z")
I’m bumping this, but what the hell–the show returns next week. In season three Greg Grunberg got a big intro and two or three episodes where he was heavily focused on. Then (unless I missed something) he just…evaporated. All the fan press from the time said that he was supposed to have a major recurring role. Did the character die or something and I missed it? Any idea what happened to him? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flash-season-4/798475.md?page=7)