# The Florida insiders get face-planted **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 29, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472 "2018-08-29T14:33:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/21 "2018-08-29T18:52:04Z")
I might’ve given him the benefit of the doubt before 2016. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/22 "2018-08-29T19:01:03Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Check out this DeSantis [campaign ad video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1YP_zZJFXs) I thought it might be SNL at first, but no, it’s real. Speaking of monkeys, looks like Trump is an organ grinder. The one where he’s showing his little girl how to build a wall with her blocks, “just like Mister Trump”? That \*should \*have been disqualifyingly embarrassing, but these are not normal times. > [@gytalf2000](#): > > Yeah, I’m seeing it as a stupid choice of phrasing, not necessarily racist. It can be both. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/23 "2018-08-29T19:03:50Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > Yeah, I’m seeing it as a stupid choice of phrasing, not necessarily racist. But I might be wrong. It’s a smart choice of phrasing. He gets to dog whistle ‘don’t vote for this monkey-like negro’ for the racists, but some people will insist, INSIST that it’s just a coincidental choice of phrasing and that people are overreacting. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/24 "2018-08-29T19:21:44Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Didn’t hurt the former VP in the long-run, did it? He received _considerable_ flak for it, publicly apologized…and is also not Veep any more. But hey, both sides, amirite? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/25 "2018-08-29T19:39:19Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Check out this DeSantis [campaign ad video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1YP_zZJFXs) I thought it might be SNL at first, but no, it’s real. Speaking of monkeys, looks like Trump is an organ grinder. Oh. My. F\*\*\*ing. God. That is seriously messed up. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/26 "2018-08-29T19:42:50Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > So the Governor of Florida next year will be a Republican. Good job, Democrats. Remind me when the last time a Democrat was the governor of Florida? 1999, you say? Yeah, we’ve clearly got a winning strategy there that we’d be fools to abandon. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/27 "2018-08-29T19:44:53Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Talking about the race for Governor, of course. To the surprise of most, including essentially all political reporters and myself, the Democratic nominee for governor is Andrew Gillum, the mayor of Tallahassee, a strong progressive, and African-American. Getting Sanders’ endorsement, Soros money, and a stronger Souls to the Polls campaign among black voters than non-blacks might have realized did the trick. Can’t find a source breaking down the vote by race, but you’re saying that Bernie’s guy won because of high black turnout supporting him? That’s going to have some folks on this board looking for new talking points.😛 ---
**Author:** ![EscAlaMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/escalamike/32/4177_2.png) [@EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EscAlaMike)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/28 "2018-08-29T19:45:43Z")
> [@andros](#): > > What on earth does that even mean? Heheh, just a jest. You know, the people my age (30s) who call themselves socialists but shop at expensive and trendy boutiques and use iPhones for everything, while completely missing the irony. The joke is that they aren’t really socialists, in case you need me to spell it out more clearly. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/29 "2018-08-29T19:46:21Z")
I’ve decided to vote for Gillum on character and experience grounds. However, the best thing that could ever happen to him would be an uncooperative GOP legislature(which is likely), leaving him to do his basic executive functions and not worry about remaking Florida. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/30 "2018-08-29T19:47:15Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > So the Governor of Florida next year will be a Republican. Good job, Democrats. So you’re saying that the majority of Floridians are racist? They put a black candidate, and the guy is attacking him for his race. And you think that means Democrats have thrown everything away? And, I’m sorry, but pretending that using the word monkey about a black candidate is not a racist is ridiculous. Did anyone try that on Roseanne? “Monkey this up” is not a normal expression. I limit Google to 2016 or earlier, and still the top posts on the exact phrase are about this guy saying it–just on pages where the date is messed up. He’s not apologized or otherwise given an alternate meaning, so the slip of the tongue idea doesn’t work. He wanted people to interpret it they way they did. I mean, at least saying “don’t monkey around with things” would be a real phrase, and might have plausible deniability. But this phrase? It doesn’t exist. He used it to communicate racism. What’s really sad, though, is that I do worry you are right, **DSYoungEsq**. Not that I expect it to be a blowout for the other guy, but that he’ll still win. I think it’s now up to every Floridian, even those who do not consider themselves on the left, to make it clear that racism will not stand, and not try to make excuses. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/31 "2018-08-29T19:48:43Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Can’t find a source breaking down the vote by race, but you’re saying that Bernie’s guy won because of high black turnout supporting him? That’s going to have some folks on this board looking for new talking points.😛 African-American voters tend to support black candidates in Democratic primaries. If there are no black candidates, they tend to support the establishment choice, and if there is no establishment favorite, they tend to vote for a moderate candidate. There is still very little constituency for Sanders’ brand of “I’m against the Democratic Party but I want to win their nomination and pull them to the left” politics. Black voters are very loyal to the party as it IS. Support for pulling it to the left is primarily the province of young, well educated white voters. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/32 "2018-08-29T19:50:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’ve decided to vote for Gillum on character and experience grounds. However, the best thing that could ever happen to him would be an uncooperative GOP legislature(which is likely), leaving him to do his basic executive functions and not worry about remaking Florida. So you like the Republican pro-algae, pro-poverty agenda, just not its leaders. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/33 "2018-08-29T19:53:13Z")
> [@EscAlaMike](#): > > Heheh, just a jest. You know, the people my age (30s) who call themselves socialists but shop at expensive and trendy boutiques and use iPhones for everything, while completely missing the irony. > > The joke is that they aren’t really socialists, in case you need me to spell it out more clearly. Can you explain the irony to me? I don’t see it. What about socialism precludes the use of iPhones? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/34 "2018-08-29T19:53:23Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Can’t find a source breaking down the vote by race, but you’re saying that Bernie’s guy won because of high black turnout supporting him? That’s going to have some folks on this board looking for new talking points.😛 There are multiple factors at work, some overlapping and some contradicting, some overt and some covert, some reasoned and some tribalistic, just as in any election. Yes, those with single-track minds do tend to have trouble with that. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/35 "2018-08-29T20:02:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > So you like the Republican pro-algae, pro-poverty agenda, just not its leaders. Gotcha. No, I like the fact that Florida is #1 in fiscal health and I want to keep it that way. > **[\#4 | Ranking the States by Fiscal Condition: Florida](https://www.mercatus.org/publication/4-ranking-states-fiscal-condition-florida)** > > On the basis of its solvency in five separate categories, Florida ranks 4th among the US states for fiscal health. How does your state rank? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/36 "2018-08-29T20:07:22Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Check out this DeSantis [campaign ad video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1YP_zZJFXs) I thought it might be SNL at first, but no, it’s real. Speaking of monkeys, looks like Trump is an organ grinder. You have to be mistaken. This HAS to be some sort of parody video! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/37 "2018-08-29T20:10:45Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Can you explain the irony to me? I don’t see it. What about socialism precludes the use of iPhones? Because people in socialist countries are poor and could never afford iPhones? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/38 "2018-08-29T20:21:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, I like the fact that Florida is #1 in fiscal health and I want to keep it that way. > > [https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings/florida](https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings/florida) You might find [this](https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-best-economies/21697/)a little more informative. > [@](#): > > State Economy Rankings > > 1. WA > 2. UT > 3. MA > 4. CA > 5. CO > … > 6. FL ---
**Author:** ![EscAlaMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/escalamike/32/4177_2.png) [@EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EscAlaMike)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/39 "2018-08-29T20:24:26Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Can you explain the irony to me? I don’t see it. What about socialism precludes the use of iPhones? Of course you don’t see the irony, or you would not be asking that question. Can you explain to me how a device as useful, complicated, and **affordable** (key word) comes into existence in an environment in which the means of production are controlled by the state? I believe that true-blue Marxist socialism is just about dead. It has been implemented, has never worked, never can work, and is completely obsolete in the digital age. What people call “socialism” nowadays is really just capitalist welfarism, or redistributive capitalism. The state is becoming more obsolete every day. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472/40 "2018-08-29T20:27:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You might find [this](https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-best-economies/21697/)a little more informative. The economy cannot be controlled. Fiscal health absolutely can be, and is about choices a state government makes. Florida has done a great job of not making fiscal commitments that will bankrupt them down the road. Voters here aren’t interested in the slightest in implementing the blue model of unaffordable pension obligations here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-florida-insiders-get-face-planted/820472.md?page=3)