# The Flying Morons - another plane delayed by a fucking idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219 "2016-05-07T20:51:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/141 "2016-05-12T19:06:53Z")
As to any alleged shenanigans by the so-called lamestream media in not giving both sides of the story, the airline refused to disclose the name of the woman who reported Menzio, claiming privacy. Thus, no media organization has been able to find her to ask for her account, and she has chosen not to come forward to give it. You can’t make bricks without straw. :smack: I suppose **doorhinge** would suggest that the only responsible thing for the media to do (and thus presumably not be “lame”) if it can’t get both sides is to not report the story at all. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/142 "2016-05-12T19:10:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Why do you believe this woman is a moron? > > Based on what’s been reported, we don’t know what the woman heard or saw because her version hasn’t been reported. You claim she had no reasonable suspicion what-so-ever. Is your assumption based on your claim that she must be a moron for reporting suspicious behavior? Mathematics is suspicious? What do you consider reading? ETA:Sorry, I forgot you look at pictures and still move your lips. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/143 "2016-05-12T19:11:28Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > Who’s relying on the media, “lamestream” :rolleyes: or otherwise? Somebody **did** hear both sides of the story, with more interest in the story than any reporter, and certainly more interest than you or I merely arm-chairing it. The authorities with the power to keep a passenger off a plane, who’d catch blame if they let someone back on who then committed a terrorist act, investigated and chose to let Menzio back on a plane. They found no “there” there. > > I presume they did their jobs correctly in the absence of something specific to the contrary (not JAQing off), especially where the proof of the pudding is in the eating: Menzio wasn’t arrested for having explosives or the like, the flight by which Menzio completed his trip didn’t blow up, _etcetera_. :smack: Then the system worked. According to Obama’s Dept. of Homeland Security, if you see something, say something. The woman saw something and she said something. The authorities investigated and found nothing wrong. Some people on the internet have chosen to attack the woman for have the audacity to speak up. I guess they don’t believe this woman knows her place on an airplane (or maybe in society)? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/144 "2016-05-12T19:16:28Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Mathematics is suspicious? What do you consider reading? > > ETA:Sorry, I forgot you look at pictures and still move your lips. I sometimes forget that you may have run into trees during your coaching and that could affect your thinking. AFAIK, it’s OK for women say something when they see something. I doubt they are willing to take internet advice to shut up and sit down. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/145 "2016-05-12T19:18:19Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Then the system worked. According to Obama’s Dept. of Homeland Security, if you see something, say something. The woman saw something and she said something. The authorities investigated and found nothing wrong. Some people on the internet have chosen to attack the woman for have the audacity to speak up. I guess they don’t believe this woman knows her place on an airplane (or maybe in society)? It’s if you see something _suspicious_, say something, you moron. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/146 "2016-05-12T19:20:21Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So what if the media dropped the ball? The security apparatus cleared him. > > You’ve been implying all along that he was up to something. So tell us what it is. No, I haven’t been implying that at all. I’m saying that all sides of the story has not been made public. Some people seem to believe that hearing one side of a story is enough evidence to jump to the conclusion that this woman must be a moron for speaking out. How dare she! ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/147 "2016-05-12T19:24:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It’s if you see something _suspicious_, say something, you moron. You can’t even get that correct. :smack: \*\*\*“If You See Something, Say Something™” It takes a community to protect a community. Informed, alert communities play a critical role in keeping our nation safe.\*\*\* > **[If You See Something, Say Something® | Homeland Security](https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something)** It’s even been trademarked. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/148 "2016-05-12T19:26:21Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > …I suppose **doorhinge** would suggest that the only responsible thing for the media to do (and thus presumably not be “lame”) if it can’t get both sides is to not report the story at all. :rolleyes: (post shortened) And you’d be wrong. Why am I not surprised? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/149 "2016-05-12T19:27:02Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > No, I haven’t been implying that at all. I’m saying that all sides of the story has not been made public. Some people seem to believe that hearing one side of a story is enough evidence to jump to the conclusion that this woman must be a moron for speaking out. How dare she! If there was anything more to the story there is absolutely nothing stopping her from talking about it, is there? He told his side of the story, which was pretty much confirmed by the authorities, and she has stayed mute on the subject. This has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman(although you keep pushing that false premise in the absence of anything solid)-it’s the fact that she reported a person for doing math, inconveniencing him, the rest of the people on the plane and the authorities that had to check out her stupid claim. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/150 "2016-05-12T19:28:26Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You can’t even get that correct. :smack: > \*\*\*“If You See Something, Say Something™” > > It takes a community to protect a community. Informed, alert communities play a critical role in keeping our nation safe.\*\*\* > > [If You See Something, Say Something® | Homeland Security](https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something) > > It’s even been trademarked. It doesn’t mean if you fucking see _anything_, you idiot. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/151 "2016-05-12T19:32:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If there was anything more to the story there is absolutely nothing stopping her from talking about it, is there? He told his side of the story, which was pretty much confirmed by the authorities, and she has stayed mute on the subject. This has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman(although you keep pushing that false premise in the absence of anything solid)-it’s the fact that she reported a person for doing math, inconveniencing him, the rest of the people on the plane and the authorities that had to check out her stupid claim. You don’t know this woman’s side of this incident but have jumped to the conclusion that what she did was stupid and she’s a moron. Considering the abuse the woman has taken in just this thread, why would any woman speak out publically? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/152 "2016-05-12T19:35:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It doesn’t mean if you fucking see _anything_, you idiot. Hahahaha. Maybe you should inform Obama’s Dept. of Homeland Security that their trademarked statement is wrong. It would mean so much more coming directly from you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/153 "2016-05-12T19:36:54Z")
Nobody is seriously suggesting that this woman be legally punished for making a false report. She presumably made a report in good faith; one could say “pure heart, empty head”. 🙂 But just like the First Amendment protects a person from governmental action due to free speech, not criticism or wholly social consequences, the decision to make a “see something, say something” report is not holy, sacred, or otherwise beyond criticism. :rolleyes: While I can’t speak for anyone else, I do want a person who’s nervous at the thought of dark-skinned people on their plane, train, _etc._ to weigh the prospect of Internet criticism or mockery into his/her internal calculus 🙂 of whether there’s actually anything suspicious beyond that to report. Even if I’m on that train with them. Actually, especially if I’m on that train with them. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/154 "2016-05-12T19:41:24Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > And you’d be wrong. Why am I not surprised? If I’m wrong, then please respond to the other half of my posting – that the media doesn’t even know the woman’s name and she hasn’t chosen to give her account – in light of your repeated criticism that the media didn’t give both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/155 "2016-05-12T19:42:39Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. Maybe you should inform Obama’s Dept. of Homeland Security that their trademarked statement is wrong. It would mean so much more coming directly from you. 😃 Translation: It just wasn’t dumbed down enough for her…or for you, apparently. Does “If You See Bad Thing, Tell Badge Man!” work for you? No multi-syllable words to confuse you, and you won’t waste anyone’s time telling the police about the birds that just flew by. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/156 "2016-05-12T19:50:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It doesn’t mean if you fucking see _anything_, you idiot. That’s exactly what it means. If you’re not literally blind, you should be calling TSA or DHS on a regular basis, and after you call you should call them again because you saw the phone you called with, and your hand holding the phone, and the room you’re sitting in, and… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/157 "2016-05-12T19:53:15Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > That’s exactly what it means. If you’re not literally blind, you should be calling TSA or DHS on a regular basis, and after you call you should call them again because you saw the phone you called with, and your hand holding the phone, and the room you’re sitting in, and… But if I over_hear_ a plot to blow up a plane I should keep silent, right? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/158 "2016-05-12T19:58:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If there was anything more to the story there is absolutely nothing stopping her from talking about it, is there? (post shortened) Ask her. :smack: This isn’t rocket surgery. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/159 "2016-05-12T19:59:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But if I over_hear_ a plot to blow up a plane I should keep silent, right? It doesn’t seem to say anything about hearing things, so I guess so, unless you can read lips. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219/160 "2016-05-12T19:59:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Ask her. :smack: This isn’t rocket surgery. :rolleyes: Ask who? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-flying-morons-another-plane-delayed-by-a-fucking-idiot/754219.md?page=9)