# The Forbidden Weird Wild West Mafia Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 3, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170 "2009-08-03T15:16:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/41 "2009-08-07T16:27:21Z")
Hello, FS. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/42 "2009-08-09T20:58:01Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That said, I don’t think asking for an involuntary substitution is the right way to deal with him. If his play is anti-Town, then vote to lynch him, the same as you would any other anti-Town player. I think you’re probably right, but I’d be concerned that he might fake-claim, regardless of his alignment. Sorry about dropping out of the game like that Malahoth. I regret asking for Meeko to be subbed, I let my irritation with him get the better of me. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/43 "2009-08-10T20:35:12Z")
Hey there. Didn’t realize a forbidden thread had already been created…but here I am, finally! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/44 "2009-08-10T23:20:32Z")
Quoth **Meeko** : > [@](#): > > 1. You vote for me FIRST then you state your reasons. Are we really that eager to get me out of here? Even after I have more or less proved myself? After he’s more or less proved himself? I think he’s getting a bit confused. He more or less proved himself in Crimson Glyph and Lost, but here he’s no more proven than anyone else in the game. And welcome, **Freudian**! ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/45 "2009-08-10T23:47:37Z")
I apologize that I was unable to kill Meeko before my untimely demise. Obviously someone wants Meeko still alive 😉 Can I be spoiled, Mahaloth? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/46 "2009-08-10T23:50:59Z")
Were you the vig? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/47 "2009-08-10T23:56:49Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Were you the vig? **No spoilers in this thread, please.** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/48 "2009-08-11T00:21:31Z")
I apologize. My comment was only meant in jest…as should be apparent from my interactions before. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/49 "2009-08-11T00:35:53Z")
Oops, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/50 "2009-08-11T02:02:27Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Oops, sorry. Actually, it’s ok. SpecialEd was an ordinary townsperson, which was revealed in game…he had no powers, just like you. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/51 "2009-08-11T03:33:38Z")
> [@Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/487): > > Well. That was… **Gastardly.** > Ok Mahaloth, You want it this way? _You got it._ > \*\*Time to wear out your F4 stamp. \*\* > \*\* > 1.What, Specifically is Town’s Wincon? > 2.What, Specifically, is ““Scum””'s Wincon? > 3.For the second time, What do you consider to be “Strategy”? > 4.Can you please correct the statement about F.S. and knowing her Alignment, at the right time? > 5.Can we Quote ourselves from earlier, at night? > 6.Can we ask you questions about the set-up at night? > \*\* > And yes, these were pre-written. This is one reason why it’s bad policy to answer rules questions in the game thread. > [@Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/552): > > Okay, I know I’m going to take a lot of flak for this, but I refuse to handshake. I know it’s _technically_ not against the rules, but I feel that it completely violates the spirit of the game and I refuse to get involved in it. As evidence that I am not just makeing up this position because I am scum, I point to the game I linked to earlier, in which I state the exact same thing. Also, in the first game I modded, I held a similar position, threatening to modkill Rysto if he was to attempt a handshake. If moderators want to avoid handshaking then they should have open rules sets. Or least make public any repeated PM content. Otherwise you’re forced to engage in increasing absurd post restrictions. (I am biased about this–I probably dislike post restrictions as much as **ped** dislikes handshaking.) ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/52 "2009-08-11T17:46:11Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > This is one reason why it’s bad policy to answer rules questions in the game thread.If moderators want to avoid handshaking then they should have open rules sets. Or least make public any repeated PM content. Otherwise you’re forced to engage in increasing absurd post restrictions. (I am biased about this–I probably dislike post restrictions as much as **ped** dislikes handshaking.) I’ve added you insight to [the wiki](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Game_Design), since it also happened in **Undying War**. And there was talk before that game to update wiki pages :). ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/53 "2009-08-11T19:22:49Z")
I agree with you, **Pleonast**. I like the way you did it in SS Insipid – pretty much derail that sort of silliness right at the start. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/54 "2009-08-11T19:41:43Z")
Thanks. I wish more designers would write open-rules Mafia games. While closed rules can be fun, I get tired of playing them exclusively (since I seem to be the only moderator running open games these days). ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/55 "2009-08-11T19:53:27Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Thanks. I wish more designers would write open-rules Mafia games. While closed rules can be fun, I get tired of playing them exclusively (since I seem to be the only moderator running open games these days). Do you not like the Weird Wild West game? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/56 "2009-08-11T20:09:35Z")
Too early to tell. 😉 I don’t have anything against closed-rules games. They are fun. I play in them all the time. I would’ve been in this one if I had seen the thread a little earlier. I just wish more moderators would run open-rules games. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/57 "2009-08-11T22:15:55Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > This is one reason why it’s bad policy to answer rules questions in the game thread.) Meeko? He’s the reason to avoid answering questions? I’ve never had more than one question at a time before…two, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/58 "2009-08-11T22:40:20Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Meeko? He’s the reason to avoid answering questions? > I’ve never had more than one question at a time before…two, maybe. Not **Meeko** in particular, but players who’ve shown similar behaviors before. For example: players spamming questions, players asking leading questions, players asking questions they know the mod won’t answer, players accidentally revealing info in questions. Usually it’s not a problem, but I’d rather the players play against the other players instead of the mod. Public questions can turn the moderator into a participant in the thread, rather than an observer. By forcing all questions through PMs, it keeps the thread more clean. Most questions can be answered privately, and the ones that are publicly answered are detached from any particular player. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/59 "2009-08-12T00:03:04Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Thanks. I wish more designers would write open-rules Mafia games. While closed rules can be fun, I get tired of playing them exclusively (since I seem to be the only moderator running open games these days). The game that NAF and I want to run on the Dope (not the Malazan one, which we’ll probably run on Idle’s board) is an open setup. However, it’s also Gastard. But the setup is open. You might enjoy it and you’re welcome to play. We’ll probably start it sometime near the end of Weird Wild West. It’ll be a fast moving game, probably using a 2/1 cycle, or at the most a 3/1 cycle. It is capped at 15 players, and works best with that number, though, if there are less, accomodations can be made to the setup. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170/60 "2009-08-12T01:04:53Z")
[NAF just announced an open setup game](http://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=4588) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-forbidden-weird-wild-west-mafia-thread/505170.md?page=4)