# The fuckers gassed a dog... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 20, 2002, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715 "2002-08-20T06:50:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/41 "2002-08-21T14:51:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MarkF \* > \*\*Just from that one quote? Wow. > \*\* No…just from the entire “they’re just animals” arguement. That’s sinking pretty low. I think **ratty** said it best: > [@](#): > > To me, any needless death is a tragedy, be it human or otherwise. Life is life, precious in any form it takes, and not to be disregarded or used lightly. All pain and suffering, of any living thing, causes me grief. The sense of irretrievable loss and sorrow I feel is the same at any death, for a human or a dog. Every death is to be mourned. ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/42 "2002-08-21T15:36:12Z")
But that’s not true at all. When’s the last time you erected a shrine and brought flowers to the mosquito you squished onto your leg? Do you weep every time you eat a hamburger? Do you only wear cotten and sweep the ground before you walk? Would you refuse a life-saving operation out of respect for the animals who died to test the instruments? Saying that every death of every creature is a tragedy is just silly. I’m an animal lover myself, and I certainly don’t approve of wanton killing for no reason–but I recognize the fact that in order for me to live in the manner to which I am accustomed, a certain number of animals are going to lose their lives. We aren’t fuzzy little bunny rabbits frolicking in the sun. We’re (mostly) omnivores, we’re industrialists, we’re scientists, and we’re consumers. Pull your heads out of the sand, people. ---
**Author:** ![aha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eada6e/32.png) [@aha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aha)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/43 "2002-08-21T16:00:56Z")
Most people when they see a new baby that isn’t their relative: Cute kid, got lots of hair doesn’t he? Most people when they see a puppy of any kind no matter whos it is: ohhhhhhhh he is soooooo cute ::Slather slather:: I want one!!! oohhh you got the puppy breath don’t you? You lil munchkin stinker,ummm ohhhh yes you are a darling aren’t you… Well you get the picture. Doesn’t mean that we humans love each other less, just means that most people/americans have evolved a special spot in their hearts for dogs, cats and other lesser creatures. ---
**Author:** ![ouisey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9fc29f/32.png) [@ouisey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouisey)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/44 "2002-08-21T16:19:52Z")
I’d prefer the kid, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/45 "2002-08-21T17:19:43Z")
**Belladonna** , part of my disagreement with you was that your original post seemed to be equating shelter workers with Al Qaeda, in that both kill animals; I agree that shelter workers are not the ones that should be blamed for the millions of “euthanasias” that happen in the US every year because of irresponsible animal breeding. My other problem, though, is with comparing the instantaneous, painless death of a Fatal Plus injection to the convulsing death caused by nerve gas. One is the best death we can offer to an animal; the other is torture. Ethically, I know that the dog who died by nerve gas may overall have lived a better life than your average hog in North Carolina. That doesn’t mean I’m going to be happy about watching footage of the gassed dog. It’s an emotional, visceral reaction, and I ain’t apologizing for it. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/46 "2002-08-21T18:56:56Z")
Al Qaeda in Iraq? Gassing innocent puppies? Is the government so desperate to turn the tide of popular opinion towards leveling Iraq that they’ve stooped to this? I wonder how long they were sitting on that tape. It’ll be interesting to what results the ‘puppy card’ yields. I also agree that if you aren’t a vegitarian, you should probably shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/47 "2002-08-21T19:08:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*I also agree that if you aren’t a vegitarian, you should probably shut up. \*\* Um, what the fuck? If you don’t condemn the death of every animal everywhere, you have no right to an opinion on the death, by whatever means, of _any animal anywhere_? That’s an…er, interesting opinion… ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/48 "2002-08-21T19:51:12Z")
I find it slightly hypocritical to shoot Whopper chunks through your nose in disbelief in reaction to what Al Qaeda did. But thats just me. ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/49 "2002-08-21T19:56:58Z")
Well, as far as that goes, I agree with you. I don’t think gassing the dog is any worse than anything else they’ve done, or any worse than what scientists in many countries do, including the US. But to say that one can’t deplore the gassing of a dog for chemical weapons research if one accepts the relatively humane killing of cows and chickens for meat is just plain silly. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/50 "2002-08-21T20:05:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ferrous \* > \*\*But to say that one can’t deplore the gassing of a dog for chemical weapons research if one accepts the relatively humane killing of cows and chickens for meat is just plain silly. \*\* I’ll agree to that. ---
**Author:** ![airdisc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19adc/32.png) [@airdisc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/airdisc)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/51 "2002-08-21T20:15:07Z")
About the video death of the dog, I’m leaning towards the idea that the video is fake. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/52 "2002-08-21T22:14:37Z")
[Others agree with you](http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/dog.html), **airdisc**. I have yet to see the video, but just having heard about it, my every synapse is screaming “fake! Bullshit PR move to get the American people outraged enough to support a war!” ---
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/53 "2002-08-21T22:21:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*Al Qaeda in Iraq? > > Gassing innocent puppies? > > Is the government so desperate to turn the tide of popular opinion towards leveling Iraq that they’ve stooped to this? > > I wonder how long they were sitting on that tape. > > It’ll be interesting to what results the ‘puppy card’ yields. > > I also agree that if you aren’t a vegitarian, you should probably shut up. \*\* Just a question for the US people. Reports here said that CNN found the tapes and was refusing to hand them over to the government for analysis until it had aired those portions it wished to make public (can anyone say “Zapruder”?). Can anyone confirm the validity of thsoe reports? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2002, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/54 "2002-08-21T22:55:03Z")
“Reports” from whom? CNN is trying to stampede Americans into war? Do I catch a whiff of bizarre conspiracy theory? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2002, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/55 "2002-08-22T14:06:22Z")
My WAG is not that the puppy tape is fake, but more that it was some old tape from years ago that has resurfaced and happens to be nice propaganda for the current situation. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2002, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/56 "2002-08-22T14:41:19Z")
[Here’s a link](http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/dog.html) to an article (a slavering, somewhat hysterical article, but still) dealing with the possibility that the tape was faked. The article (and some comments) make plenty of good points. The longer all of this goes on, and the more I see our government not only NOT tying up any loose ends, but apparently hell-bent on starting a war on yet ANOTHER front…makes it really damned easy for me to believe that TPTB would have had no qualms about faking a tape like this to elicit precisely the reaction it’s gotten: KILL ALL OF THE EVIL PUPPY-MURDERERS!! The “death crate” stories are far more horrific, but I’ve seen a lot more publicity re: the puppy video (until this week’s “Newsweek” came out, anyhow). I’m starting to feel like a bug-eyes conspiracy nut, but I really do feel as though the publicity the puppy video has gotten (OUR ENEMIES) vs. the death crates (OUR ALLIES) is really really fucking suspicious. 1 puppy = elicits more sympathy from Americans than 500+ people. 1 puppy who died relatively quickly vs. 500+ people who died of asphyxiation and fluid loss over a period of several days. Yeah, there IS something fucked going on, and dollars to doughnuts none of US is ever going to be privy to it…particularly since the only media who would have the power to get to the bottom of the story are in the government’s back pocket. I love America, and I love being an American, but I really really really fucking hate the shit the government is pulling right now. And what I hate the most is that there’s nothing _I_ can do about it. \ ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2002, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/57 "2002-08-22T15:48:04Z")
Oh crap, and I just now bother to notice that **Max Torque** posted that exact same link well before I did. I stand by my incoherent frothings, though. I mean, as much as one CAN… ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2002, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/58 "2002-08-22T16:25:53Z")
Yet again, the conspiricy theorists are out in force. I think there is not hope in fighting ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2002, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/59 "2002-08-22T16:26:32Z")
Yet again, the conspiricy theorists are out in force. I think there is no hope in fighting ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2002, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715/60 "2002-08-22T20:14:14Z")
Speaking only for myself **Zuma** , I would hardly describe my post above as being out of the realm of possibilty. YMMV Do believe everything you see on teevee? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-fuckers-gassed-a-dog/124715.md?page=4)