# The future of Star Wars without Carrie Fisher **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 28, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779 "2016-12-28T16:05:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/21 "2016-12-28T23:31:41Z")
I for one don’t want to see a CGI Leia in Episode IX. But they can’t just ignore her either (Lando et al were not even mentioned in VII, but I don’t think they can do that to Leia) It depends of what her role in VIII is (and what her planned role in IX was/is – not sure how far the storyline/script even is). Could they have her die off-screen and have it mean something? Like sacrificing herself to save others? Brian ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/22 "2016-12-28T23:50:35Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > I for one don’t want to see a CGI Leia in Episode IX. But they can’t just ignore her either (Lando et al were not even mentioned in VII, but I don’t think they can do that to Leia) > It depends of what her role in VIII is (and what her planned role in IX was/is – not sure how far the storyline/script even is). > Could they have her die off-screen and have it mean something? Like sacrificing herself to save others? > > Brian It won’t be hard to have her die sorta on-screen – just have her on a spaceship, and the ship blows up. They could probably strategically mine the footage they already have to give her a poignant last moment on screen. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/23 "2016-12-29T00:14:48Z")
Note that Ingvild Deila (who’s 29) was playing a young Leia. If they wanted to use her for old Leia, too, they’d need to age her (digitally or using makeup). Though of course, they could also just use an older actress. It’s probably not too hard for a Hollywood studio to find an actor who looks like any particular given person. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/24 "2016-12-29T00:32:58Z")
I’m hoping that the plot of ep vii already had her dying. Yes, she was signed up for the last ep too but perhaps it was just a credit for flashbacks or something. Leia is too important for an off screen death (with two minutes of reminiscence, really?), CGI alone isn’t good enough for significant onscreen time and another actress would be hideous. I can’t see them doing that - there’d be uproar. They’d lose loads of money (I wouldn’t go and see it and I wouldn’t be unusual in that) and the replacement actress would have to spend the rest of her life hiding from enraged superfans. If she wasn’t killed off in ep viii, maybe they can reedit it so that she is, or use some extra footage plus CGI in ep ix. I don’t think it’d be easy but I’m hopeful they’ll find a way. > [@AncientHumanoid](#): > > Ah… The PREQUELS! > > Polis Massa > > :smack: Huh? Alderaan wasn’t destroyed in the prequels. Doh, just realised what you meant - thought you were doing a Jar Jar impersonation. 😃 I don’t think a planet where she spent about two hours after her birth counts as her home planet. Especially since it’s not a planet. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/25 "2016-12-29T00:44:56Z")
> [@divemaster](#): > > I’m not convinced it will be that big of a deal. After all, Peter Cushing had a large role in **Rogue One** , and he died over 20 years ago. This. If they need her, they will just CGI her into the show. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/26 "2016-12-29T01:11:37Z")
\ Users can edit the topic lines of their posts for 5 minutes afterwards, just like the rest of a post, but just changing the topic line of the OP doesn’t change the title of the thread, which only moderators can do. Since the OP obviously intended to fix the typo, I fixed it for the thread, too. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/27 "2016-12-29T01:42:44Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Note that Ingvild Deila (who’s 29) was playing a young Leia. If they wanted to use her for old Leia, too, they’d need to age her (digitally or using makeup). Though of course, they could also just use an older actress. It’s probably not too hard for a Hollywood studio to find an actor who looks like any particular given person. To be clear, she did the motion capture and voice work, but that’s not really her that you see on screen. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/28 "2016-12-29T02:14:59Z")
> [@Pork\_Rind](#): > > To be clear, she did the motion capture and voice work, but that’s not really her that you see on screen. It’s her head with archival footage of Carrie Fisher’s face mapped her own. I really don’t want to see her getting the Peter Cushing treatment and recasting Leia would be even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/29 "2016-12-29T03:50:42Z")
I would be really surprised if they try to keep Leia in the ‘present’ series of movies past Episode VIII (which she’s already filmed scenes for), and I’d be willing to bet money they’re going to edit the movie to have her die or leave. If they do any other ‘past’ movies they might put her in, but that feels really different than continuing the story with a CGIed dead actor. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/30 "2016-12-29T04:15:32Z")
Maybe get Sissy Spaceck to play Leia? (Referring to the fact that she almost played the role originally while Carrie Fisher was considered for ‘Carrie’) ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/31 "2016-12-29T05:25:20Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Maybe get Sissy Spaceck to play Leia? (Referring to the fact that she almost played the role originally while Carrie Fisher was considered for ‘Carrie’) Too jarring to work. That said they could have cast Ben Mendelhson as Tarkin and I wouldn’t have batted an eye. Speaking of which, I realized something today…we’ve had a good chuckle at Leia’s bald-faced lie about Tantive IV but…later: Tarkin: “She lied to me! She lied to me!!!” Vader “I told you…” is all the more hilarious. Oh that Leia. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/32 "2016-12-29T11:53:52Z")
I know that Deila’s image was heavily computer-processed for the movie, but she does bear a resemblance to Fisher, which probably made the process a lot easier/more effective. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/33 "2016-12-29T12:36:45Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I know that Deila’s image was heavily computer-processed for the movie, but she does bear a resemblance to Fisher, which probably made the process a lot easier/more effective. I wonder about that. Her face is the same shape, but her eyes are different (colour and shape) and she has an overbite. All it would need for a match is a gentle adjustment, which in theory should be possible without digitally replacing her entire head. I am curious whether they did that or not, and if they may give it another tweak before the DVD release. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/34 "2016-12-29T14:02:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They could probably strategically mine the footage they already have to give her a poignant last moment on screen. There is NOT going to be a Very Special Episode with cheesy flashback clips and “I Will Remember You” in the soundtrack. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/35 "2016-12-29T15:48:48Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I wonder about that. Her face is the same shape, but her eyes are different (colour and shape) and she has an overbite. All it would need for a match is a gentle adjustment, which in theory should be possible without digitally replacing her entire head. I am curious whether they did that or not, and if they may give it another tweak before the DVD release. Yeh, I only have my one viewing of Rogue One to reference, but it’d be my guess they did a full CG head replacement, using Ingvild’s face for motion capture. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/36 "2016-12-29T23:05:23Z")
Yes, after looking around, it seems that is [what they did](http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/27/14092060/rogue-one-star-wars-grand-moff-tarkin-princess-leia). There are a few articles now where ILM are openly talking about the work they did. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/37 "2016-12-29T23:43:11Z")
:rolleyes:“CelebrityGeddon 2016”:rolleyes: If they wanted to recast (yuck) they should take the easy route and have Leia take back up her Boushh the bounty hunter identity from Jedi. Could be anyone under that mask. ---
**Author:** ![Moonchild](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@Moonchild](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonchild)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/38 "2016-12-29T23:53:02Z")
My advanced apologies for the tastelessness about to follow, but I found all the face-tightening efforts on display in The Force Awakens more than a little distracting. I wouldn’t mind a re-cast if it means making for the best possible story. When others were seeing [Princess Leia](http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/watch-new-star-wars-force-awakens-carrie-fisher-deleted-scene), I couldn’t help but see…[Chick Hearn](http://www.azquotes.com/author/6471-Chick_Hearn). ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/39 "2016-12-30T03:05:09Z")
My thought is each of the old stars was going to die in each episode My guess is Leia dies in Episode VIII, with Luke dying in the climax of IX. Both major sacrificial deaths, I’ll warrant. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779/40 "2017-01-05T23:38:17Z")
Apparently, Leia was going to play a big role in episode 9. They will have to re-cast the role or write an entirely new story. > **[Princess Leia Was Going to Play a Large Role in Star Wars: Episode IX](https://gizmodo.com/princess-leia-was-going-to-play-a-large-role-in-star-wa-1790796565)** > > Reportedly, Lucasfilm and Episode IX director Colin Trevorrow will meet soon to discuss their options moving forward. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-future-of-star-wars-without-carrie-fisher/775779.md?page=3)