# The Gauntlet has been thrown! Justin Bieber vs Tom Cruise, in the Octogon... who wins? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 10, 2019, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297 "2019-06-10T13:55:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/41 "2019-06-11T00:48:44Z")
Tom by far. Sure, he has issues but I think he’s a genuinely good person too. I haven’t heard bad things about him that don’t involve weirdness. I mean, the Scientology stuff is gross, but he’s in denial over that because he’s such a true believe. What I mean more is that I’ve never heard anyone say he’s anything but unfailingly polite and thoughtful. But his issues make him determined and focused and he’d target on Bieber and pound the crap out of him if he had to. Plus Cruise has saved several fans from being hurt at various events over the years. I hate Scientology but I can understand why someone who is at the top of that pyramid scheme would fall for it. I hate Bieber overall just a bit more. Plus he started it. Gotta root for the person who was minding his own business getting called out by a high-as-fuck punk. Tom would just have to play some Selena Gomez songs and adorn the arena with needles and baggies full of suspicious white powder and let the problem solve itself. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/42 "2019-06-11T01:22:37Z")
What’s the dirtiest thing Cruise might ever say? “I was a little hard on the Bieber last night.” ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/43 "2019-06-11T01:40:31Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > You could almost say that Cruise has > > (•_•) > ( •_•)\>⌐■-■ > (⌐■\_■) > > All the Right Moves > [@running\_coach](#): > > What’s the dirtiest thing Cruise might ever say? > > “I was a little hard on the Bieber last night.” You both need to go your rooms and think about what you’ve done. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/44 "2019-06-11T01:42:26Z")
I saw Cruise in The Mummy a fairly recent movie and I was honestly shocked about how in shape he is, probably better shape than most guys half his age. But what also what strikes me about Cruise is he always seems to have this intense mental energy and positivity and puts his all into whatever he is doing. I think Tom would beat the brakes off poor Bieber. Another interesting factoid was when Christian Bale played Patrick Bateman in American Psycho he based his persona off of an old interview he saw of T Cruise basically saying he has this nice friendly exterior but a creepy emptiness behind the eyes, I could definitely picture him being kind of a dark personality underneath that veneer of friendliness that he exudes. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/45 "2019-06-11T02:44:57Z")
Would Tom Cruise _really_ hit a girl? ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/46 "2019-06-11T04:17:05Z")
If he was forced to do it (I don’t think he’d do it voluntarily) – Cruise. He’d do everything humanly possible to win, and I don’t think Bieber would. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/47 "2019-06-11T04:55:36Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > You both need to go your rooms and think about what you’ve done. :mad: I’m in my room. I’ve thought about it. AND I’M SO GLAD! ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/48 "2019-06-11T05:09:05Z")
Cruise - round 1 - hands down. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/49 "2019-06-11T11:25:47Z")
I’m amazed at how effective Tom Cruise’s PR is. You guys actually believe he is a Hollywood stuntman in great condition because you heard it from internet tabloid coverage. But of course why would anyone think a nutbag cultist would be dishonest? 😕:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/50 "2019-06-11T11:58:01Z")
Two go in, none come out, we all win! ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/51 "2019-06-11T12:20:03Z")
Cruise. Tom Cruise is not **Tom Cruise** because he’s particularly great-looking or a naturally gifted actor, it’s because he’s on the floor of a hotel room somewhere in the world doing push-ups _right this second_. No matter what else you may think of the man, there’s no denying he’s working almost 24/7. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/52 "2019-06-11T12:25:24Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Cruise. > > Tom Cruise is not **Tom Cruise** because he’s particularly great-looking or a naturally gifted actor, it’s because he’s on the floor of a hotel room somewhere in the world doing push-ups _right this second_. No matter what else you may think of the man, there’s no denying he’s working almost 24/7. Did the E-meter tell you that? ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/53 "2019-06-11T12:54:31Z")
I assume the winner then takes on Barack Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Deser2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@Deser2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deser2)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/54 "2019-06-11T13:00:14Z")
While I am not a fan of either of them and hope it ends up a double-TKO, Bieber does box (not professional) and is trained by Mayweather so I’d say that def gives him an advantage there. He’s also taller and younger with a longer reach. Another two checks in his column. And while Tom does his own stunts Bieber has done world tours where he’s dancing and singing on stage. There is an insane amount of stamina involved in that which is arguably one of the most important things for a boxer to have. I gotta go with Bieber (reluctantly). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/55 "2019-06-11T13:13:54Z")
So you’re saying you are a… (•_•) ( •_•)\>⌐■-■ (⌐■\_■) True Belieber? ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/56 "2019-06-11T13:39:42Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So you’re saying you are a… > > (•_•) > ( •_•)\>⌐■-■ > (⌐■\_■) > > True Belieber? Clever monkey!:p:p:p ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/57 "2019-06-11T13:49:43Z")
The jokes literally just write themselves with this story. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/58 "2019-06-11T13:57:21Z")
> [@don\_t\_ask](#): > > I assume the winner then takes on Barack Obama. Or Oprah Winfrey. On her couch. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/59 "2019-06-11T14:00:30Z")
I don’t get the love for Cruise. 56 years old is old for combat sports, and Bieber has a height and reach advantage and is in great shape at least as much as Cruise is. He’ll beat the shit out of Cruise. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297/60 "2019-06-11T14:22:00Z")
Everyone talking about what shape either of them are in, remember, they’re both performers. They go to a lot of trouble to _look like_ they’re in great shape. What looks good and what actually works are not necessarily the same thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gauntlet-has-been-thrown-justin-bieber-vs-tom-cruise-in-the-octogon-who-wins/835297.md?page=4)