# The Gay Star Trek Character **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 31, 2006, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531 "2006-10-31T02:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/1 "2006-10-31T02:03:19Z")
There is much discussion about this in fandom. There is a theory that a token character has already quietly been introduced. I think it’s the guy with the bad hair and lavender jump suit in TOS _Devil In The Dark._ Who gets your vote? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/2 "2006-10-31T02:09:02Z")
Well, any way you look at it, Dax isn’t straight. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/3 "2006-10-31T02:15:17Z")
As was argued in the Sulu thread, if they want to do this, it needs to be in a new project. Also think it should be incidental to the plot. Just show a gay couple sharing quarters, but don’t make a big deal about it. In the Trekverse, it wouldn’t be a big deal. Then again, a Kilngon drag bar would be something to see… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/4 "2006-10-31T02:30:03Z")
_Humor. It is a difficult concept._ [QUOTE=Oakminster] Then again, a Kilngon drag bar would be something to see… [/QUOTE] I am experimenting! I am _not_ this way! I will kill you where you stand, right here, right now! Nice boots… ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/5 "2006-10-31T02:37:44Z")
Today is a fabulous day to die… ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/6 "2006-10-31T02:40:39Z")
Worf: I protest. I am _not_ a merry man! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/7 "2006-10-31T02:46:05Z")
O’Brien & Bashir take a holodeck canoe trip set in 20th century rural Georgia…and the safety protocols are offline! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/8 "2006-10-31T02:57:17Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] Today is a fabulous day to die… [/QUOTE] Gonna be hard to beat that. ^ :dubious: ^ ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/9 "2006-10-31T03:01:33Z")
Guess I’ll save references to polishing the photon torpedos then 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/10 "2006-10-31T03:12:48Z")
Eh? I’d thought it was supposed to be Lt. Hawk in “First Contact,” played by Neal McDonough and then turned into a Borg before he could have any storyline showing that he had teh gay. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/11 "2006-10-31T03:17:58Z")
Seven of Nine and T’Pol. Together. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/12 "2006-10-31T03:22:46Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Seven of Nine and T’Pol. Together. [/QUOTE] At Maxim. No Oak, you’re on a roll. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/13 "2006-10-31T03:32:26Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] Eh? I’d thought it was supposed to be Lt. Hawk in “First Contact,” played by Neal McDonough and then turned into a Borg before he could have any storyline showing that he had teh gay. [/QUOTE] He’s gay in fanon and there’s a (really horrible) novel about him and his Trill partner that was written a couple years ago. I don’t think I ever finished it and I, at one point, owned over three hundred Trek novels and had read the vast majority of them. As for our gay (or non-hetero) mole, I say it’s Garak. Per [amazon.co.uk](http://amazon.co.uk): **[Amazon.co.uk](http://Amazon.co.uk)**: Some fans have speculated about Garak’s private life. **Andrew Robinson** : Yes, and his sexuality. I started out playing Garak as someone who doesn’t have a defined sexuality. He’s not gay, he’s not straight, it’s a non-issue for him. Basically his sexuality is inclusive. But–it’s Star Trek and there were a couple of things working against that. One is that Americans really are very nervous about sexual ambiguity. Also, this is a family show, they have to keep it on the “straight and narrow”, so then I backed off from it. Originally, in that very first episode, I loved the man’s absolute fearlessness about presenting himself to an attractive human being. The fact that the attractive human being is a man (Bashir) doesn’t make any difference to him, but that was a little too sophisticated I think. For the most part, the writers supported the character beautifully, but in that area they just made a choice they didn’t want to go there, and if they don’t want to go there I can’t, because the writing doesn’t support it. [RIGHT][http://tinyurl.com/yhkkou[/RIGHT]](http://tinyurl.com/yhkkou%5B/RIGHT%5D) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/14 "2006-10-31T04:14:18Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] Then again, a Kilngon drag bar would be something to see… [/QUOTE] Klingon men wear . . . leather and amror. Klingon women . . . wear leather and armor. It’s quite possible that every male Klingon we’ve seen was in drag, and we never noticed. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/15 "2006-10-31T06:20:05Z")
[QUOTE=Aesiron] He’s gay in fanon and there’s a (really horrible) novel about him and his Trill partner that was written a couple years ago. I don’t think I ever finished it and I, at one point, owned over three hundred Trek novels and had read the vast majority of them. [/QUOTE] It’s one of the four “Section 13” novels - the TNG one, to be precise. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/16 "2006-10-31T07:15:07Z")
Eh? Didn’t they already do this with that Wesley Crusher? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/17 "2006-10-31T12:04:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Klingon men wear . . . leather and amror. > > Klingon women . . . wear leather and armor. > > It’s quite possible that every male Klingon we’ve seen was in drag, and we never noticed. Or that every female we’ve ever seen was in drag. Let’s not be partisan about which gender of Klingon may have caught teh gay on shore leave! ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/18 "2006-10-31T13:07:31Z")
What no one remembers Leather Kira? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/19 "2006-10-31T14:49:27Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] What no one remembers Leather Kira? [/QUOTE] If you mean Intendant Kira from the Mirror Universe, she was only bi because they couldn’t give her a goatee to show she was evil, and couldn’t show her Brazillian wax on screen to show she was evil, so they gave her teh gay to show she was evil. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531/20 "2006-10-31T14:54:18Z")
That mincing guy with his shirt open in the TNG episode about the planet ruled by women might have had teh gay. Or at least teh bi. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gay-star-trek-character/378531.md?page=2)