# The Gender of Political Correctness. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 20, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719 "2016-01-20T23:13:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/21 "2016-01-21T00:18:51Z")
I worry about both male and female youngsters. I want things to be equal for them, as well as us. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/22 "2016-01-21T00:19:09Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Aww. Poor you. Poor put-upon ridiculed you. > > Tell you what: when I no longer have a laundry list of systemic, institutional, historic, and societal advantages over women just because I happened to be born with a penis, I’ll get on board your “stop picking on men” train. Until then, it mostly–_mostly_ sounds like tired whinging from someone mad that the world hasn’t quite been handed to him on a platter. But women also have a laundry list of such advantages over men. Don’t they? The lists are different, to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/23 "2016-01-21T00:25:08Z")
Sorry I was so hard on ya. I didn’t know it was _your_ video. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/24 "2016-01-21T00:26:02Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Sorry I was so hard on ya. :embarrassed: I didn’t know it was _your_ video. :oops: Thank you for pointing out that my **presentation skills** need more work on. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/25 "2016-01-21T00:27:19Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > Are there any books on making a speech/video for beginners? Not sure, but I would try to experiment – make a few test audio runs, and listen to them to check the quality; if the quality isn’t good then consider different equipment (microphone and the like), or consider a different program. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/26 "2016-01-21T00:30:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Not sure, but I would try to experiment – make a few test audio runs, and listen to them to check the quality; if the quality isn’t good then consider different equipment (microphone and the like), or consider a different program. Thank you – a third of the blame is on my internship adviser who overloads me with work. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/27 "2016-01-21T00:46:06Z")
1- The quality of audio, documentation and presentation is “bad” but it is also being criticized because the topic is unpopular. 2- While it is more or less true, in general terms, that men are now the but of jokes on sit coms… a the end of the day it equals one big, so what? Men get to run 99% of everything on the planet. 3- Don’t fall for MRA websites and books that you have modeled your video/position on. I try to say this in the nicest way possible. MRA preys on frustrated/lonely men. Do not be sucked into fighting their fight for them. They do not care about you. They only care about (1) more YouTube hits (2)selling books or tickets to seminars. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/28 "2016-01-21T00:56:44Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Wow. What an utter shit video. Looks like it was made by a 7th grade Asperger sufferer. And probably a girl, too. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/29 "2016-01-21T00:57:49Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > And probably a girl, too. That is Simple Political Incorrectness. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/30 "2016-01-21T01:00:54Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > 1- The quality of audio, documentation and presentation is “bad” but it is also being criticized because the topic is unpopular. I understand that I should work on my speaking skills. I do not know if it is good to give up my views for the sake of fitting into society. Different societies have different views. We do not know what values would society have in 50 years. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/31 "2016-01-21T14:49:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But women also have a laundry list of such advantages over men. Don’t they? Not nearly as many, and not nearly to the same extent. Because I am male, I was born on an easier difficulty setting, by a wide margin. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/32 "2016-01-21T14:58:17Z")
I won’t bother looking at the video based on the reviews so far. There is a double standard, and not one justified by the proponents of PC because it’s the same double standard that the PC crowd says they want to eliminate. It’s just more evidence that PC isn’t what it says it is, it’s just more of the same old. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/33 "2016-01-21T15:16:16Z")
Look, [here’s](http://www.salon.com/2016/01/17/this_is_donald_trumps_biggest_fiction_and_the_engine_of_his_insane_rage_machine/) the Straight Dope on Political Correctness. > [@](#): > > The Megyn Kelly interchange made this blindingly clear. Trump’s answer to her question was essentially “Shut up!” And it was hardly unique. As Milbank wrote, “GOP candidates are now using the ‘politically correct’ label to shut down debate—exactly what conservatives complained politically correct liberals were doing in the first place,” which is hardly a surprise, since that’s been the very purpose of the label ever since conservatives stole it in the late 1980s. > > In the early 1990s, education writer Herbert Kohl explained that he knew the phrase from the Jewish working-class block he grew up on in the 1940s and ’50s, where it was used by egalitarian socialists to ridicule authoritarian Communists, most notably for their blind support of the Hitler-Stalin pact. “The term ‘politically correct’ was used disparagingly to refer to someone whose loyalty to the CP line overrode compassion and led to bad politics,” Kohl recalled. “It was used by Socialists against Communists, and was meant to separate out Socialists who believed in equalitarian moral ideas from dogmatic Communists who would advocate and defend party positions regardless of their moral substance.” > > But decades later, the term was turned upside-down: > > > [@](#): > > > > Given that history, it was surprising to hear right-wing intellectuals in the 1990s using the phrase “politically correct” to disparage students and professors who advocate multiculturalism and are willing to confront racism, sexism, or homophobia at the university…. The implication of these accusations is that people calling for compliance with anti-sexist and anti-racist education today are similar to the Communist party hard-liners who insisted on compliance with the “correct” line on the Hitler-Stalin pact. It is a clever ploy on the part of neoconservatives, a number of whom were former CP members and know how the phrase “politically correct” was used in the past, _to insinuate that egalitarian democratic ideas are actually authoritarian, orthodox, and Communist-influenced_ when they oppose the right of people to be racist, sexist, and homophobic. [Emphasis added.] ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/34 "2016-01-21T15:23:17Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I won’t bother looking at the video based on the reviews so far. There is a double standard, and not one justified by the proponents of PC because it’s the same double standard that the PC crowd says they want to eliminate. It’s just more evidence that PC isn’t what it says it is, it’s just more of the same old. It’s \*easier \*to believe that “PC” is an entity, isn’t it? Double standards abound everywhere. Anyone who denies this is ignorant or stupid, but it’s just plain silly to suggest they’re ignorant or silly because they’re part of some super-sekrit PC cabal. ---
**Author:** ![teflon\_grut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@teflon\_grut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teflon_grut)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/35 "2016-01-21T15:30:43Z")
I’ll take a swing at an honest, impartial response… As a man, it does register with me that men are starting to be portrayed in a negative light. I do see a general trend towards men being represented as naive, unaware, not good parents, etc. There are a lot of unfair biases against men in the media. I think that men are getting a small taste of what it used to be to grow up as a female. The condescending pat on the head type stuff. “That’s cute. The girl thinks she knows politics.” That said, I think we are only getting a fraction of what was once lobbed at women. I also think that because men are so advantaged in our society in terms of opportunities, the unfair labeling doesn’t carry as much of an effect. Years ago women were treated as inferior AND they were not given the same opportunities in careers, politics, and household matters. Men are treated in many circles as a little more oafish now. However, there is no stigma against us in terms of voting, careers (excluding a few choices), or domestic decisions. It hasn’t reached a point that my wife’s friends would say “You LET your husband have input on that???!?” So to sum it up - yes, men do get cast unfairly a bit. However, complaining about that would be akin to making an honest claim that being white is unfair because you’re at risk for getting a sunburn. But, on the flip side, stating that other groups have/had it worse is a terrible argument to take. In a perfect world, all this stuff would be resolved. Don’t discount something just because other bad things are happening as well. Something something… don’t make a right. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/36 "2016-01-21T16:02:18Z")
Shouldn’t the equal treatment of everyone be applied to all? We teach our kids to not tear down others to prop yourself (or another group) up but when topics like this one come up we have the defenders of the people tearing others down. I really don’t see it. You should aspire to treat every one equally regardless of what historical advantages one got in the past. Raise the other group up. You don’t need to tear down someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/37 "2016-01-21T16:16:41Z")
CCitizen, write a well thought out paper and post it if you want a discussion of your views. Video takes too long to listen to compared to reading, and is linear, rather than permitting one to easily review and move about. Beyond this, your garbled audio over a static video bibliography is, to put it politely . . . well it is so very bad that there is no polite expression. For example, watching a bibliography is a waste of time. if you put forward a men’s rights bibliography, I can put forward a feminist bibliography, which really accomplishes nothing as far as a message board discussion goes. As far as the substantive issue of gender bias goes, two wrongs don’t make a right. Since you seem to be interested in how men are treated, instead of going down the double standard path as you did, stick to the topic: how men are treated. The more you press on double standards, the more you risk getting into a battle of the sexes and crashing off track, and the more you risk alienating people who otherwise might be receptive to your points on equality issues by virtue of them having already having consider such or similar issues from a feminist position. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/38 "2016-01-21T16:23:09Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > However, I doubt it would bother my boy’s self esteem to hear such a stupid thing. Seeing that this is The Straight Dope and especially GD let’s fight some ignorance. As an experiment for the next six months any time you interact with your boy don’t use his name or even refer to him as a him and only refer to him or call him a child molester. Then get back to us about his self esteem. If he is a young tyke first explain to him what a child molester is and how awful being one is and that it destroys some childrens lives. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/39 "2016-01-21T16:33:09Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Seeing that this is The Straight Dope and especially GD let’s fight some ignorance. As an experiment for the next six months any time you interact with your boy don’t use his name or even refer to him as a him and only refer to him or call him a child molester. Then get back to us about his self esteem. If he is a young tyke first explain to him what a child molester is and how awful being one is and that it destroys some childrens lives. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719/40 "2016-01-21T19:33:23Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Look, [here’s](http://www.salon.com/2016/01/17/this_is_donald_trumps_biggest_fiction_and_the_engine_of_his_insane_rage_machine/) the Straight Dope on Political Correctness. Salon as a factual cite? Really? At least try man. Slee [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-gender-of-political-correctness/743719.md?page=3)