# The Georgia Guidestones **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 18, 1999, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971 "1999-11-18T05:06:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/1 "1999-11-18T05:06:00Z")
I was out cruising the net as usual and ran across some information about something called “The Georgia Guidestones”. The Georgia Guidestones can be found on one of the highest hilltops in Elberton County, Georgia and is a huge granite monument. The monument is engraved in eight different languages and on the four giant stones that support the common capstone are 10 Guides, or commandments. They are: 1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. 2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity. 3. Unite humanity with a living new language. 4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason. 5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. 6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. 7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials. 8. Balance personal rights with social duties. 9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite. 10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature. I don’t know about you folks, but that first commandment blows my mind. It seems to suggest that most of us need to go… You can check this link out to read for yourselves and to see a few pictures of the monument: [http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm](http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm) Is this evidence of those that espouse the New World Order? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/2 "1999-11-18T05:14:00Z")
Your last question cannot be addressed until you define New World Order. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/3 "1999-11-18T05:23:00Z")
Ok Slythe. NWO in the context of the paranoid definition of those that control the majority of power and wealth behind the scenes… …whadda ya think of the Georgia Guidestones Slythe? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/4 "1999-11-18T05:35:00Z")
Well, to tell the truth, I think that one rich nut comissioning a stone that has vague new-age declarations on it is hardly proof of a super-secret “New World Order”. There is a man in Hazel Dell, Washington who is slowly building a castle. Would you consider this proof that the Knights Templar is reforming in the N.W.? ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/5 "1999-11-18T05:48:00Z")
Slythe, No, I’d just think the guy appreciates medievel architecture… Anyway, back on topic…the site says that the site glorifies The Age of Reason, a book written by Thomas Paine. It says that the intent of Paines book was to destroy the Judeo-Christian beliefs upon which our Republic was founded. I never offered the information as proof, but rather the _existance_ of the fact that some (at least this one wealthy guy) embrace the NWO as I’ve defined. BTW, did you check out the site? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/6 "1999-11-18T05:53:00Z")
Sure did check out the site. Sure proves that one man might have comissioned a stone with markings to be built. Also proves that some people see exactly what they want to see, whether it is there or not. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/7 "1999-11-18T06:01:00Z")
…could be…but I’d interpret this thread to show that some go looking for information and evidence while others shut down their curiosity long ago, confidently telling themselves that they already [/]know[/] all the answers… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/8 "1999-11-18T06:08:00Z")
Krispy, please tell me that you are relying on more than this stone for proof of some secret “New World Order”. If _I_ were running a secret group intent on running the world, i wouldn’t advertise on large stones where everyone could see it. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/9 "1999-11-18T06:16:00Z")
Of course…this new information is but one more small piece of information that shows that there are those that truly \*do[i/] espouse the NWO philosophy. Is a NWO philosophy _secret_?..nah…hasn’t been for some time…the only secrets are the details of a NWO implementation. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/10 "1999-11-18T06:44:00Z")
Ok. This isn’t about some stone a nutcase had built. This is about a conspiracy theory involving something called a _New World Order_. Let’s procede from there, then. Could you please tell me what you think the goals of the group is, and who might be members of this group. References other than a stone would be appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/11 "1999-11-18T07:04:00Z")
No, this thread _is_ about the Georgia Guidestones… The guidestones seem very NWOish and I can’t pass the same judgement that you do that the guy that commissioned them _is_ a “nutcase”. I can’t assume that he was acting alone either. The fact that the ultra-wealthy and powerful seek to control things is well documented. Is it such a leap of faith to believe that they might be somewhat organized and planning for power and control on a world-level? Can you say for sure that they aren’t? ---
**Author:** ![Satan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Satan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/12 "1999-11-18T07:49:00Z")
I have nothing to add, but I just wanted to break up the monotony, lest any newbie comes in here and thinks ALL threads are just conversations amongst two people… * * * Yer pal, Satan ---
**Author:** ![SterlingNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@SterlingNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SterlingNorth)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/13 "1999-11-18T15:47:00Z")
I really want to jump in here on this. . . ## **Krispy** , why can’t you assume the man _was_ actingly alone? Do you have any ideas who maight be “in on it” with him? If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/14 "1999-11-18T17:08:00Z")
…cause it would be kinda tough to implement the NWO by ones self… ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/15 "1999-11-18T17:18:00Z")
. . . assuming, of course, that there really is a NWO . . . I don’t get what you’re asking here, Krispy. Are you asking if there _is_ an NWO? Or are you asking if there are people who _believe_ there is? I’d have to say no to the first, yes to the second. * * * “Come on, Phonics Monkey–drum!” ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/16 "1999-11-18T17:26:00Z")
Phil, Your answer to #2 is obviously correct considering the evidence cited in the OP. Your answer to #1 is your opinion and may or may not be correct…I’m still searching for the critical mass of evidence. I’d be interested in knowing how or why you and Slythe have decided to “pitch tent” on the answer to the question…what evidence do you have that might be persuasive? BTW, what do you think about commandment #1? Has some pretty disturbing ramifications doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Mullinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Mullinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mullinator)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/17 "1999-11-18T17:47:00Z")
Evidence? Did I blink when it went by? * * * Well, shut my mouth. It’s also illegal to put squirrels down your pants for the purposes of gambling. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/18 "1999-11-18T17:52:00Z")
Mully, Carefully scrutinize the OP and the site that I provided. It’s clearly evidence that at least 1 person (maybe more) believe in a NWO… ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 1999, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/19 "1999-11-19T06:10:00Z")
Admittedly, no evidence that such a thing _doesn’t_ exist, but we all no where that leads. It just my observation of human nature that it’s difficult to get people to work together or to hide conspiracies. Although, if there is a wide-reaching conspiracy among the rich and powerful, we at least can rest assured that they always eventually turn on each other. If anything, my fear is the continued corporatization, for lack of a better word, of the world. While I’m all in favor of improving the economic conditions of the poor, I question the morality of basically moving your corporation to places where the government will imprison or shoot workers for you if they try to organize. I do agree that the ramifications of #1 are frightening. For one thing, when people say this about nonhuman animal populations, the answer is usually to shoot or poison large numbers of them. * * * “Come on, Phonics Monkey–drum!” ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 1999, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971/20 "1999-11-19T06:24:00Z")
Phil, I appreciate your fair, honest, and thoughtful post. Your reason for not believing in a NWO conspiracy while valid and acceptable for you doesn’t fit for me. I’ve not quite figured out human nature completely and I’m still sometimes surprised by what humans do. If there is in fact a NWO conspiracy in the works, its downfall will probably be the internet and world-wide sharing of ideas and information. If the day ever comes that the internet gets shut down or severely regulated and inhibited, I’ll choose to interpret that as a warning sign and I’ll probably grab some weapons, food, and head for the hills! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-georgia-guidestones/16971.md?page=2)