# The giant Scylla Thanksgiving crow eating thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2003, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049 "2003-11-24T22:06:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/601 "2003-11-30T20:39:25Z")
I can honestly say that the next hour of your life would be better spent simply watching her sleep than reading/posting in this, or any other for that matter, thread. Of that assertion I am confident. Diversify your interests later, obsess now. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/602 "2003-11-30T20:51:27Z")
I commend friend **Tee’s** addressing the facts of the situation v. Mr. Franken. That’s what I urged on friend **Scylla** , to no avail. As I have no real knowledge of these events, I have no comment. My view largely reflects that of **Dewey** (if I understand him right), that our negligence and ignorance was pervasive for years (the Unlocked Door) and cannot be rightly laid at the feet of any Administration of any party. As said, I’m not that hot on Mr. Franken. But to shrilly brand him a liar _without_ addressing the facts is symptomatic of a kind of puerile partisanship that **Tee** can rise above, while some others clearly cannot. Besides, **Stoid** is at hand, and the facts are at her delicate fingertips. If a new one needs be ripped, I am entirely satisfied that she needs no assistance from me. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/603 "2003-11-30T20:52:12Z")
**minty**! You devil! A thousand gratulations from the land of the Majestic Moose! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/604 "2003-11-30T20:56:34Z")
:smack: English: _ **con** gratulations_. Swedish: _gratulationer_ Fuckin’ Swinglish. Anyway, you know what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/605 "2003-11-30T21:00:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > **No, it did not occur to me, given that your very first post in this thread and on this precise subject _quoted_ my post, which quoted and directly responsed to milroyj’s nonsensical claim that 9/11 could reasonably be viewed as Clinton’s fault. Indeed, the language of mine that you quoted started “Fuck those lies, amigo,” which was an address to the language I quoted from milroyj. So I’m having a hard time believing that you were unaware of the Clinton-bashing that started this hijack away from the subject of Scylla’s weaseling re: lies vs. negligence.** **minty** Your response to my post in re: Clinton’s inaction was to **bash Bush.** > [@](#): > > Fuck those lies, amigo. Clinton made fighting terrorism a huge priority, and the guy fucking succeeded. 3,000 people were not murdered on Clinton’s watch. **Bush’s “Operation Ignore” was responsible in large part for those deaths.** I believe **Dewey** is pointing out that blaming either Clinton or Bush for 9/11 is wrong. Let he who is without horrible, horrible partisanship cast the first stone. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/606 "2003-11-30T21:03:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > **Didn’t Dear Leader say something a few months back about “revisionist historians”?** The only “revisionist historian” here is you. You used quotation marks when paraphrasing **millroyj** ’s post to make his remarks seem harsher than they actually were, and you failed to indicate both that you were paraphrasing and whom you were paraphrasing (“the guy” is not terribly specific). Rather than dig through twelve pages for a post, I took you at your word that the words you were posting were accurate. I guess I misjudged your honesty. Here’s what **millroyj** actually wrote: > [@](#): > > It can be fairly argued that Clinton’s _inaction_ in the face of terrorism contributed to more attacks, such as the USS Cole murders. Here’s how you paraphrased it: > [@](#): > > Where the heck were you to condemn the guy who started this Clinton/Bush hijack by making the claim that “this came about because Clinton’s ineffectiveness at doing anything emboldened the terror mongers. ‘Hey, nothing happened after we killed those sailors in Yemen, let’s go for a bunch of civilians on their own soil!’” It’s pretty clear to me that there’s a difference between saying 9-11 “came about because of” a lack of response to the Yemen attack, and saying that the lack of response to the Yemen attack “contributed to” future attacks. The former places full blame at Clinton’s feet, the latter simply makes post-Yemen inaction one of many factors contributing to future attacks. I didn’t say anything about **millroyj** ’s post because it didn’t seem terribly controversial to me. Unless you believe that Bubba could do no wrong, it doesn’t seem much of a stretch to say that the Clinton administration made decisions that might have indirectly contributed to the attacks. And that’s not a searing indictment of Clinton: all administrations face decisions that might contrbute to adverse future happenings in some unforeseen way. And criticizing Clinton’s response to those attacks does not forestall praise of positive steps taken by his administration. Of course, what **millroyj** wrote was quite different than the cartoonish caricature represented by your paraphrase. If **millroyj** had written the words you attributed to him, I would have condemned them, as I did when you first wrote your paraphrase. And yeah, I still think your reply to **millroyj** was stupid. I should point out that other posters have gotten into rather serious trouble by attributing words to others that they had not in fact written. Use quotation marks inaccurately at your peril. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/607 "2003-11-30T21:15:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*By the way, this is incorrect: > The investigative and intelligence failures that allowed 9/11 to occur were _not_ just “field office” failures. They were failures and refusals on the part of high-ranking FBI officials to pay attention to the reports and requests made by the folks in the field offices. [Coleen Rowley’s story](http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,249994,00.html) is representative. \*\* “Field office” may have been a poor adjective on my part. My point is, critical information died in the middle bureaucracy rather than reach important decisionmakers in Washington – Rowley, for instance, faults “midlevel officials” who blocked her office’s attempts to get FASA warrants. That’s a problem of bureaucratic fiefdoms that persist from administration to administration, and not something attributable to any particular president. ---
**Author:** ![cedric45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@cedric45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cedric45)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/608 "2003-11-30T21:18:30Z")
_snip_ Where the heck were you to condemn the guy who started this Clinton/Bush hijack by making the claim that “this came about because Clinton’s ineffectiveness at doing anything emboldened the terror mongers. ‘Hey, nothing happened after we killed those sailors in Yemen, let’s go for a bunch of civilians on their own soil!’” _snip_ At last! Whoopee! After… lets see… seven? years of responding to minty green in dozens of threads all over the boards, at last he responds! I’m not invisible after all! Even if it is “the guy” instead of cedric45. :-\> minty, YOU started the so called hijack. YOU stated it was Bush who failed to stop 9-11 and had nothing to do with Clinton. My post was to (spitefully, of course) remind you that the plan was hatched long before Bush was even running for president. Osama doesn’t care who’s in office as long as he can kill Americans despite the illusions of **DTC** that they WAITED until Bush was elected. Both of you are using 9-11 to push your own agendas. Maybe Bush is doing that too but there’s no doubt about what you are doing. If it’s wrong for him, why is it right for you? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/609 "2003-11-30T21:19:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > **My view largely reflects that of Dewey (if I understand him right), that our negligence and ignorance was pervasive for years (the Unlocked Door) and cannot be rightly laid at the feet of any Administration of any party.** Yes. We agree. You may commence having your heart attack now. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/610 "2003-11-30T21:37:00Z")
**Tee** : Just a point of order: you seem to be refuting one of Franken’s claims by referring to the occurrence of meetings that aren’t relevant to it. Here is the claim: > [@](#): > > \*\* Meanwhile, Clark, who had stayed on at Rice’s request, was trying to get his anti-AQ plan going. He presented an updated plan. Nothing happened. Some meetings were talked about being scheduled. Never were.\*\* You state that this claim is a lie by referencing a series of 4 “senior-level” meetings that took place between May and July of 2001, ostensibly addressing the issue of Al-Queda. To begin with, it does not appear that those meetings were concerned with Clark’s proposals. But even more telling, I think, is the fact that it appears to have taken the Bush administration more than a year and a half to actually produce any concrete response to the Al-Queda threat. As your own cite points out, “_it took **34 months** for the DCI’s declaration of war against al-Qaeda to be translated into a draft plan of action and this draft had not been seen and approved by Bush until after September 11._” This despite the fact that, apparently, Bush had been warned about how dangerous Al-Queda was by Clinton’s staff. The quoted section seems to indict Bush rather than absolve him. Having said that, the very interesting article you cite supports **Dewey’s** point; in the end, the “intelligence failure” that led to 9/11 can’t be blamed on any single administration, but appears to be a structural weakness. Various information-gathering agencies did’t share their intelligence, and there was no one specifically responsible for putting the pieces of this puzzle together in advance. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/611 "2003-11-30T22:57:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. Svinlesha \* > \*\ ***minty**! > You devil! > > A thousand gratulations from the land of the Majestic Moose! > 🙂 \*\* Lawyers breed? Who knew? Indeed, gaze upon the sleeping babe while you can. Soon enough they morph into huge drug-addled layabouts with the temperment of a wolverine and the habits of the sloth. **Dewey** Its not so much agreeing with an acolyte of the Forces of Darkness that might bring on a cardiac incident as hearing someone publicly confess to graduation from Baylor (The Athens on the Brazos)… ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/612 "2003-11-30T23:08:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\ ***Dewey** Its not so much agreeing with an acolyte of the Forces of Darkness that might bring on a cardiac incident as hearing someone publicly confess to graduation from Baylor (The Athens on the Brazos)… \*\* Baylor’s 2:1 female-male ratio impacted heavily on my 18-year old mind when I was picking colleges. My priorities were a little different back then. I did hurry to Austin for law school… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/613 "2003-11-30T23:18:02Z")
Commendable. Baylor would be the perfect place for a young man to maintan the purity of his precious bodily fluids, if his religious convictions forbid a Capuchin monastery. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/614 "2003-11-30T23:36:04Z")
Feh. Baylor gals go out to bars and other such places as much as any other. They just lie about it on Sunday morning. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/615 "2003-12-01T04:15:05Z")
If we want to blame past Presidents, I can alwas heartily recommend **Dereliction of Duty** by Robert Patterson. Patterson was an Air Force Lieutenant and spent a couple of years as the attache travelling with Clinton, and was at times his nuclear officer. He had intimate and ongoing access to Clinton. When on rotation he’d stay with him all day and night. He has some startling anecdotes and makes some serious charges. He claims to be an eyewitness on Air Force One when Clinton was fondling a stewardess. Bill Clinton lost the nuclear codes and didn’t give a shit. More importantly he had the opportunity to take out OBL at a known location in 1998, and, I forget what it was, but he was to distracted by fundraising or something like that and just blew it off. He cheats at golf all the time, is terrorized by Hillary who he lies to constantly. He blatantly looked down the dress of Mrs. Patterson while holding her captive in a handshake for like 30 seconds. He hated the military, and was truly careless and unbothered by military losses, and had no regard for the safety of his men, was consistently irresponsible and uninterested in national security, needing to be browbeaten to do anything at all. All of this is laid out one anecdote at a time very credibly. Without coming out and saying it, Patterson pretty much lays the 9/11 blame squarely on Clinton’s shoulders. Patterson puts this forth as a firsthand eyewitness and participant in the events described, and claims no axe to grind but rather that it was duty to describe these events so terrible and irresponsible were they. To my knowledge there is no refutation or denial of any of the events described. I’d be curious to see what you think about this set of facts, Stoid and Elucidator. Rather than keep you waiting, I’ll tell you what I think. The guy hates Clinton. His claim to impartiality is false. While I have no reason to doubt any of the anecdotes, I am sure they have been selected and told so as to paint as a horrible a picture as possible of the man. As such, I discount it, concluding that it can’t actually give me a useful and accurate picture of Clinton overrall. It’s just interesting. Despite it’s credibility it’s clearly not the kind of thing you can use to draw conclusions, unless you’re a total moron. In terms of credibility, this is leaps and bounds ahead of an openly biased humorist engaging in parody. I would guess though that if you give credibility to the conclusion generated by Franken’s collection of facts, than you must find Pattersons unimpeachable proof of gross negligence. If you don’t, why not? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/616 "2003-12-01T04:31:20Z")
For my part, I don’t, because what Franken says (specially on the gotcha moments against right wing blowhards) is mostly based in other published sources that usually have more than one source verifying the information. Really **Scylla**! I am beginning to think you are not trying. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/617 "2003-12-01T04:36:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. Svinlesha \* > \*\ ***Tee** : > > Just a point of order: you seem to be refuting one of Franken’s claims by referring to the occurrence of meetings that aren’t relevant to it. Here is the claim:You state that this claim is a lie by referencing a series of 4 “senior-level” meetings that took place between May and July of 2001, ostensibly addressing the issue of Al-Queda. > > To begin with, it does not appear that those meetings were concerned with Clark’s proposals. > > But even more telling, I think, is the fact that it appears to have taken the Bush administration more than a year and a half to actually produce any concrete response to the Al-Queda threat. As your own cite points out, “_it took **34 months** for the DCI’s declaration of war against al-Qaeda to be translated into a draft plan of action and this draft had not been seen and approved by Bush until after September 11._” This despite the fact that, apparently, Bush had been warned about how dangerous Al-Queda was by Clinton’s staff. The quoted section seems to indict Bush rather than absolve him.\*\* Well there’s no one handy cite for this. The administrations changed in early 2001 but the intelligence agencies didn’t. George Tenet has been the Director of Central Intelligence since 1997 so he’s been a part of both administrations, as has Clarke. Bin Laden was under indictment for bombing two of our embassies in 1998. Bush was in office less than a year before striking at al-qaida in the aftermath of 9/11/01. The easiest interpretation is that the intelligence community under Tenet was tracking and taking preventative measures against the group since the bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, but had no comprehensive plan of attack until very shortly - days maybe - before 9/11. There’s roughly 34 months. One had been formulated in those meetings which concerned al-qaida, which Franken says never happened, but as of September 11 Bush hadn’t yet signed off on it, which is at least not in dispute. Immediately thereafter they went gung-ho. My opinion, pulled out of thin air and based loosely on this [Novak](http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030901.shtml) column (which is not particularly helpful in other respects) is: Clarke is a bit hawkish. Clinton wasn’t fond of the idea of a military response, bombing the hell out of Afghanistan immediately and neither were Bush and company, or maybe it was the surrounding international issues stopping them…who knows. This may be a “failure” on the part of each, but I can also understand the hesitancy to follow the Clarke plan to the letter. ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/618 "2003-12-01T05:10:22Z")
**Scylla** : First, Patterson is (was?) A lieutenant colonel, not a lieutenant–according to Amazon. Are you sure you have read the book and you’re not just relying on some secondary scource? Second, all this has precious little to do with whether or not the President and his people knowingly and deliberately perpetrated a fraud on the American people in order to stage an invasion of Iraq. You now acknowledge that a fraud was perpetrated, although you muddy the picture with off and on references to mistake. If mistake then the President and his people are incompetent. If deliberate then the President and his people committed fraud. You tell us that the fraud/incompetence is admirable because the President had a hidden agenda–to establish American homogeny by slapping down the most obvious challenge to American power and that this some how is not only admirable but essential to the nation’s security. We are now engaged in a great tangential pissing match testing whether the fundamental question–the President’s fraud–can be kept as the topic of discussion, or whether we will pass into a pissing match about who facilitated the horror of September 11, 2001. While it sounds a lot like the “who lost China” pissing match that dominated national politics in the late 40s and early 50s, there seems to be a fair amount of agreement that there is plenty of blame to go around pretty evenly. The fact remains that whether or not President paid the deference to his military staff they thought they had coming, whether or not he ogled Mrs. Patterson’s bosom, whether or not he mislaid the launch codes, whether or not he missed a chance to blow BinLaden to smithereens does nothing to conceal the fact that President did throw high explosives at BinLaden and that until 9/11 President Bush and his people paid little of any attention to BinLaden. You might take a look at the Scoops item that is cited and linked earlier in this rambling and convoluted thread. Clinton’s philandering and golf etiquette has damn’d little to do with your half hearted concession that President Bush and his people worked a fraud on the American people. What sunrises me is that you quiver with rage at the thought of Bill Clinton cheating at golf but you don’t mind George Bush cheating with national war policy and foreign affairs. It strikes me that it might help things if every President got a good hummer every once in a while. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/619 "2003-12-01T05:36:52Z")
Let’s see, that would be Regnery Publishing, would it not? Also known as Remainder House? Whose books on bestseller lists are almost invariably followed by the dagger sign, the one that indicates bulk sales? (For those who don’t know, bulk sales are institutional sales, usually in large lots at considerable discount. Corporations and such like can buy books in bulk, distribute them to, for instance, employees and take a sweet tax cut for “educational” efforts.) Publisher of such deathless tomes of statesmanship as: _Shut Up & Sing: How Elites from Hollywood, Politics, and the UN Are Subverting America_ By Laura Ingraham _Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christianity_ By David Limbaugh _Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton’s Failures Unleashed Global Terror_ By Rich Miniter and dont forget these stocking stuffers! _High Crimes and Misdemeanors: The Case Against Bill Clinton_, by the delightfully equine Ann Coulter _Leftism Revisited: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Pol Pot_ Eric von Kuehnelt-Leddihn and no home library is complete without _Witness_ by Whittaker Chambers. as well as _Betrayal: How the Clinton Administration Undermined American Security_ by Bill Gertz… Oddly enough, it seems they didn’t publish Newt Gangrene’s science fiction masterpiece, _1945_! One can only hope that you didn’t spend perfectly good money, when toilet paper is so inexpensive. Or you could have sent it to our beloved **Stoid** and at least gotten some genuine, pure-D, hard-core _sex_ porn. And unless I’m very much mistaken, Regnery House is closely identified with Lucianne Goldberg, “literary agent” and scandal monger, without whom Linda Tripp would be half a million poorer. Regnery House, the _Pravda_ of the nut-bar right! And to think you once sneered at me for mentioning MediaWhoresOnline! Well, at least you didn’t try to cite _American Spectator_ Yet. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049/620 "2003-12-01T05:49:05Z")
Relax, everybody. Don’t get all upset. The **Spavmeister** lives in Iowa, the “hummer” he’s referring to is a kazoo. Carry on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-giant-scylla-thanksgiving-crow-eating-thread/215049.md?page=32)