# The Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin 9-11 celebration **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 9, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124 "2010-09-09T01:08:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/41 "2010-09-13T18:39:12Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes. Ok. I haven’t seen it described as a fundraiser. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/42 "2010-09-13T20:42:42Z")
You picked apart my post, and complained about my exclamation points Bricker, but I suppose i can expect nothing more from you. You’re just as intellectually dishonest, nitpicking, slimy and hypocritical, , but at least i know how much i DON"T know so have fun, and please continue to enjoy thinking you caught me making a mistake My point is that based on their previous actions , Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are doing shady things to advance their pet causes and make money. Do you deny that? Do you deny that Glenn sells gold and has set up a college for his fans? Do you deny that she happily collects large speaking fees and sells her time for all she can get? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/43 "2010-09-13T20:51:46Z")
> [@anya\_marie](#): > > You’re just as intellectually dishonest, nitpicking, slimy and hypocritical, , but at least i know how much i DON"T know so have fun, and please continue to enjoy thinking you caught me making a mistake If you have a problem with **Bricker** , take it to the Pit. Personal attacks are out of line in MPSIMS. **twickster** , MPSIMS moderator ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/44 "2010-09-13T22:18:42Z")
Hey stop picking on Beck. He’ll start crying. Again. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/45 "2010-09-13T22:23:17Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > Hey stop picking on Beck. He’ll start crying. Again. Whereas I’d like to see him sing ‘Loser’… ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/46 "2010-09-13T23:35:24Z")
> [@anya\_marie](#): > > You picked apart my post, and complained about my exclamation points Bricker, but I suppose i can expect nothing more from you. > > You’re just as intellectually dishonest, nitpicking, slimy and hypocritical, , but at least i know how much i DON"T know so have fun, and please continue to enjoy thinking you caught me making a mistake. I don’t really understand this hostility. As best I can figure, your position is: because Beck is someone you dispprove of, it’s perfectly OK to level any accusation at all against him. After all, he’s guilty of SOMETHING, so why not heap on? If indeed that’s what you’re using as a guideline, it seems an odd one. > [@](#): > > My point is that based on their previous actions , Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are doing shady things to advance their pet causes and make money. Do you deny that? No, I’m pretty confident I can point to shady things done by each, with those things advancing their pet causes and making money. I’m OK with that statement. > [@](#): > > Do you deny that Glenn sells gold and has set up a college for his fans? No, I think both of those things are true. Although I confess I’m at a loss to infer any particular evil associated with his selling gold. A person that bought gold in, say, 2000, would have paid less than $300 per ounce; that same ounce could be sold today for over $1240. I can’t think of too many stocks that could match that steady gain. So I don’t agree that Beck’s selling of gold is a bad thing, but I certainly agree he sells gold. > [@](#): > > Do you deny that she happily collects large speaking fees and sells her time for all she can get? No, but I’m not defending her at all. So now that I’ve happily and honestly answered your questions, perhaps in return you might answer one of mine: Do you think that it’s okay to make any accusation against Glen Beck at all, true or not, simply because he’s a slime? ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/47 "2010-09-14T00:01:22Z")
Yes I do. I accuse him of being shady and making money in dishonest ways. I accuse her of being a hypocrite and sucking up every dime that isn’t nailed down. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/48 "2010-09-14T00:15:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Do you think that it’s okay to make any accusation against Glen Beck at all, true or not, simply because he’s a slime? > [@anya\_marie](#): > > Yes I do. OK, then I guess we’ll simply have to agree to disagree. My only comment is that on a website supposedly devoted to fighting ignorance, the idea of your so strongly defending the concept that it’s ok to say things that are simply not factually true because the target of the accusations is disliked is quite remarkable. I’ll certainly keep in mind, in reading your future posts, that you don’t regard yourself as constrained by the truth when you’re discussing someone you dislike. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/49 "2010-09-14T00:35:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > Do you think that it’s okay to make any accusation against Glen Beck at all, true or not, simply because he’s a slime? > > > [@anya\_marie](#): > > > > Yes I do. > > OK, then I guess we’ll simply have to agree to disagree. My only comment is that on a website supposedly devoted to fighting ignorance, the idea of your so strongly defending the concept that it’s ok to say things that are simply not factually true because the target of the accusations is disliked is quite remarkable. > > I’ll certainly keep in mind, in reading your future posts, that you don’t regard yourself as constrained by the truth when you’re discussing someone you dislike. Because he’s slime, I could make up any accusation at all and it would have a 80-90% chance of being true anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/50 "2010-09-14T01:05:06Z")
This is reminding me of the more rabid anti-Clinton partisans over Whitewater. “I know I haven’t found any evidence yet, but I know he’s guilty of something!!!” God, I’m defending those two annelids from false accusations. Please, can’t we go back to accusing Beck of having Nazi Tourette’s? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/51 "2010-09-14T02:13:41Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > A quote from Palin at the event: > > > [@](#): > > > > “I thank you from the bottom of my heart for not just welcoming me in my hometown but for being who you are, true patriots holding on to time-tested truths. Knowing some basic principles that again the rest of America I think can learn from so many Alaskans who believe this – those time-tested truths that are based on the government that governs least governs best,” Palin said. > > True frontier gibberish. This is actually my favorite piece of Palin puke from that event: > [@Bailin' Palin](#): > > This Statue of Liberty was gifted to us by foreign leaders, really as a warning to us, it was a warning to us to stay unique and to stay exceptional from other countries. Certainly not to go down the path of other countries that adopted socialist policies. . . . Palin said to cheers from the crowd [of stupid, idiotic, moronic dumbasses who have no idea how absurdly and ridiculously wrong that is]. Read more: [http://community.adn.com/adn/node/153116#ixzz0zSAEfcXW](http://community.adn.com/adn/node/153116#ixzz0zSAEfcXW) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/52 "2010-09-14T02:49:57Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > Because he’s slime, I could make up any accusation at all and it would have a 80-90% chance of being true anyway. I see. This, by you, is “fighting ignorance?” > [@](#): > > This Statue of Liberty was gifted to us by foreign leaders, really as a warning to us, it was a warning to us to stay unique and to stay exceptional from other countries. Certainly not to go down the path of other countries that adopted socialist policies. Yes, France’s message to us: “Don’t make the same mistakes we made!!” :rolleyes: Palin is mercifully free from the ravages of intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/53 "2010-09-14T12:13:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > > [@Quimby](#): > > > > What that means is that the fact that he chose to give that money to a charity doesn’t change the fact that he earned the money from this event. It was still money he earned. > > So… are you suggesting everyone would have been better off if he didn’t earn any fee? > > 'Cause I’m not really seing the win-win there. > > > [@](#): > > > > By the way since when was this billed as a benefit? This was billed as a meet and greet for Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. It wasn’t a charity where they donated their time. It was more like a concert but instead of music you got speeches. > > > > The fact that you see nothing at all gruesome about this is, frankly, shocking. > > I’m still trying to figure out what you do see wrong with it. Last year, I got people to pay me to do a 10K run (and I cheated them, since I walked much of the event). All that money was then donated to the American Heart Association. I didn’t realize I was ghoulishly profiting from the deaths of those claimed by heart disease – like an idiot, I thought I was helping. Sorry I am quoting everything. I am doing this from my phone and it is tricky to edit. You are equating a charity run with a For Profit event in which one of the participants happened to donate his fee to charity. Clearly those are not the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/54 "2010-09-14T12:26:35Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > You are equating a charity run with a For Profit event in which one of the participants happened to donate his fee to charity. Clearly those are not the same thing. No they are not. A fact **Bricker** won’t admit to else his house of cards might come tumbling down. This event was a for-profit “Meet and Greet”. ---
**Author:** ![WarmNPrickly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d78d45/32.png) [@WarmNPrickly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WarmNPrickly)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/55 "2010-09-14T12:29:26Z")
I do think it is more or less equivalent to Al Gore making money on Climate Change speaking engagements. I see nothing particularly wrong with either. Whats irrational is trying to claim that Beck’s making a profit off of a political stand one way or another is inherently wrong. Don’t get me wrong, Beck’s a douche bag, and politicizing Climate Change with someone like AL Gore may not have been good for the cause ultimately. But if we are going to defend one, I don’t see how we can attack the other. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/56 "2010-09-14T12:32:50Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > You are equating a charity run with a For Profit event in which one of the participants happened to donate his fee to charity. Clearly those are not the same thing. That’s true. But they share a similarity: both involve a person who gives up time and effort but instead of keeping any money earned, donates that money to a charitable cause. Here are the complaints about Beck that I object to as factually wrong: \*neither Glenn Beck nor Sarah Palin think there’s anything wrong with making a paycheck off of the deaths of 2977 American deaths. _(after learning Beck donated his fee)_ Tax write off then. How noble. His speaking fee. I am sure he gets a piece of every ticket sold though.\* Since one of those statements is yours, I’d like to know if you still stand behind it as factual. Do you believe any of the others are factual? Or, like **anya marie** , do you think that it’s okay to make any accusation against Glen Beck at all, true or not, simply because you believe him a slime? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/57 "2010-09-14T12:34:19Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > > [@Quimby](#): > > > > You are equating a charity run with a For Profit event in which one of the participants happened to donate his fee to charity. Clearly those are not the same thing. > > No they are not. A fact **Bricker** won’t admit to else his house of cards might come tumbling down. This event was a for-profit “Meet and Greet”. Let’s say it was. Did Beck earn any money doing it? ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/58 "2010-09-14T13:15:56Z")
> [@WarmNPrickly](#): > > Whats irrational is trying to claim that Beck’s making a profit off of a political stand one way or another is inherently wrong. No it’s not. The exposure will insure ratings which potentially increase his salary. Beck’s income is a direct result of his taking a “political stand”. But in this case I’m pretty sure he’s testing out the Palin/Beck '12 ticket potential. It’s not wrong, but let’s not paint it as some humanitarian gesture either. > [@Bricker](#): > > Let’s say it was. We don’t need to say it was, they said it was. > [@](#): > > Did Beck earn any money doing it? I don’t know and neither do you. Based on his track record I’m not inclined to take his word for it. But suppose he didn’t, you’re still wrong in comparing it to a fundraiser. Glenn Beck didn’t organize it, he just claimed to donate any money he made to charity. That’s quite a different thing altogether from deciding The Special Operations Warrior Foundation needs help and proactively going out and trying to fundraise for them. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/59 "2010-09-14T13:29:21Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > But suppose he didn’t, you’re still wrong in comparing it to a fundraiser. OK. I withdraw the comparison. I don’t have time to research it and it’s tangential to the point I started with. Again, the statements I object to are: \*neither Glenn Beck nor Sarah Palin think there’s anything wrong with making a paycheck off of the deaths of 2977 American deaths. (after learning Beck donated his fee) Tax write off then. How noble. His speaking fee. I am sure he gets a piece of every ticket sold though.\* If our standard is: > [@](#): > > I don’t know and neither do you. Then none of these statements should be made. Agreed? ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124/60 "2010-09-14T13:33:42Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > > [@WarmNPrickly](#): > > > > Whats irrational is trying to claim that Beck’s making a profit off of a political stand one way or another is inherently wrong. > > No it’s not. The exposure will insure ratings which potentially increase his salary. Beck’s income is a direct result of his taking a “political stand”. But in this case I’m pretty sure he’s testing out the Palin/Beck '12 ticket potential. It’s not wrong, but let’s not paint it as some humanitarian gesture either. Upon re-reading I see I may have misunderstood **WarmNPrickly** ’s point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-glenn-beck-sarah-palin-9-11-celebration/553124.md?page=4)