# The Global Warming Fraud **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 19, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010 "2015-11-19T20:24:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/41 "2015-11-20T05:24:04Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > “It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave.” Please describe the source of these trillions of dollars and where it goes. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/42 "2015-11-20T05:43:30Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > You, and your many pals here, really need to stop being condescending smartasses who know it all. Why doesn’t one of you take on fifty different people, simultaneously? > How unfortunate it is that every single one posting here is a disciple of Al Gore. > Name one person who has made more money on global warming than Al Gore. Just one. Old card to play in discussions like this one. > **[Is Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth accurate?](https://skepticalscience.com/al-gore-inconvenient-truth-errors.htm)** > > \While there are minor errors in An Inconvenient Truth, the main truths presented - evidence to show mankind is causing global warming and its various impacts is consistent with peer reviewed science.\ > [@](#): > > Note: the vilification of Al Gore is best understood in the context of personalisation. When opponents attack something abstract - like science - the public may not associate with the argument. By giving a name and a face and a set of behavioural characteristics - being a rich politician, for example - it is easy to create a fictional enemy through inference and association. Al Gore is a successful politician who presented a film, his training and experience suitable to the task. To invoke Gore is a way to obfuscate about climate science, for which Gore has neither responsibility, claim nor blame. That and the mention of Obama demonstrates that the latest studies on the matter are correct, the contrarians that are left are contrarians because of politics and echo chambers that override any evidence and they discourage any solutions. > **[What climate deniers get wrong on "politically motivated" science](https://grist.org/politics/what-climate-deniers-get-wrong-on-politically-motivated-science/)** > > Despite a bipartisan history, climate science continues to be scurrilously attacked by Republicans. [http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/05/27/3662739/climate-change-echo-chambers/](http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/05/27/3662739/climate-change-echo-chambers/) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/43 "2015-11-20T05:48:34Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > disciple of Al Gore. … Al Gore > > … > Water vapor constitutes 15,400 ppm of the atmosphere. Water vapor. Carbon dioxide increases at the rate of just over 1 part per million annually, for the past 50 years. … > > How gullible all of you are. How dangerously gullible. I ask you: Why the anger at Obama? You don’t answer but switch to Al Gore. Let me guess: Is it because they’re both libtards? And then you trot out the “1 ppm is very tiny” canard. _ **That’s a give-away that you’re totally ignorant about the science** _. The temperature-forcing effect of a little CO2 is NOT in dispute; the more intelligent deniers base their case on secondary effects. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/44 "2015-11-20T07:42:18Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > You’re quite right. Matters of science should best be left to Al Gore, Barack Obama, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. > > You suffer badly from the Fallacy of the Argument from Authority. Moreover, you veterans of Dope all seem to believe that your way is the only way. Is the New York Times your bible? And your training in science is? You seem to be unaware that there are many branches of science, and expertise in one says nothing about expertise in others. You appear not to know what you don’t know. Saying a physicist or a computer scientist like me isn’t qualified to talk about climate science doesn’t mean that the only ones left are laymen. Let’s listen to the climate scientists, who have the background. By the way, your funding numbers add up to a bit over $2 billion, a far cry from trillions, and chicken feed for the size of this problem. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/45 "2015-11-20T08:58:52Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > You, and your many pals here, really need to stop being condescending smartasses who know it all. May I ask how you found this forum? I ask because one way people find it is by searching for information on obscure facts. A look around at the header will show that the forum takes pride in “fighting ignorance”. In short, this forum is filled to the brim with the sort of people you might characterize as “condescending smartasses who know it all” by design. We like it. > [@](#): > > Why doesn’t one of you take on fifty different people, simultaneously? Well, when one of us is the OP, we do. In this case, you started the thread(s), so it’s your turn. That’s how forums work. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/46 "2015-11-20T09:56:36Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > You, and your many pals here, really need to stop being condescending smartasses who know it all. No, I’m sorry, but if you’re going to come in here and throw PRATT against the walls hoping something will stick, be _completely_ ignorant of the science, and refuse to actually make or address meaningful points (instead opting to appeal to individual political figures who have little to do with the science, or throwing out grand conspiracy theories involving essentially the entire scientific world that don’t make any sense), you kinda lose the right to accuse someone else of being “condescending”. Case in point: > [@](#): > > Water vapor constitutes 15,400 ppm of the atmosphere. Water vapor. Carbon dioxide increases at the rate of just over 1 part per million annually, for the past 50 years. > So naturally everything is the fault of humans, who make up a small fraction of that 1 part per million. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You have not examined the science at all! If you had, you would know that water vapor in the atmosphere is primarily a function of _temperature_, and that atmospheric forcing makes that 1ppm have a huge impact. But you _don’t_ know what you’re talking about, so you make these easily-refuted, obviously bogus points. Please, if you come back, bring back an argument that isn’t trivially debunked by 10 seconds on Skeptical Science. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/47 "2015-11-20T09:57:18Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > **I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion.** I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist. Well, that isn’t the definition of scientist, so he’s onto a loser there from the start. > [@](#): > > **noun** > > A person who is studying or has [expert](https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/expert#expert__6) knowledge of one or more of the natural or [physical sciences](https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/physical-sciences#physical-sciences__2): Doesn’t mention revulsion. If you want a sensible answer you’ll have to go by numbers, not by feelings. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/48 "2015-11-20T09:58:56Z")
> [@](#): > > You return to life as it was before the automobile. Fossil fuels are limited so without electric cars you’re going there anyway, and fairly soon. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/49 "2015-11-20T10:13:26Z")
> [@Greg\_Charles](#): > > **Renaissance Man** , have you read the “Climategate” emails, as Dr. Lewis suggested? Can you show where they lay bare the fraud of climate science? > > Most references to these emails, like Dr. Lewis’s, just claim the fraud is there without showing any evidence. The few places with actual quotes from the emails almost always use the same two quotes, which do sound vaguely sinister, but when read in context of the full email, really aren’t. A decade’s worth of hacked emails mined for two quotes that don’t even show fraud is pretty strong evidence of the _lack_ of a conspiracy. Oh god climategate. All that anal wind over the use of the word “trick” 🙂 I think the trick is not to use the word trick because it’s too tricky for people who haven’t got the trick of how to use the word ‘trick’. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/50 "2015-11-20T10:24:14Z")
I’ve spoken to scientists who think the IPCC consensus is a politically driven approximation, somewhat, because things are actually _worse_ than the consensus says. And, indeed, there are climatic effects that are ahead of any modeled schedule the IPCC has come up with. Arctic ice loss, for a start. Well ahead of schedule. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/51 "2015-11-20T10:31:56Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > Water vapor constitutes 15,400 ppm of the atmosphere. Water vapor. Carbon dioxide increases at the rate of just over 1 part per million annually, for the past 50 years. [Yawn](http://grist.org/climate-energy/water-vapor-accounts-for-almost-all-of-the-greenhouse-effect/)…got any vaguely sciency arguments that _can’t_ be refuted by [links to “How To Talk To A Climate Skeptic”?](http://grist.org/article/climate-scientists-dodge-the-subject-of-water-vapor/) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/52 "2015-11-20T12:51:12Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > Dr. Ivar Giaever, winner of the 1973 Nobel Prize in Physics Is he an engine driver?\* If only winning a Nobel was a guarantee that you know what you’re talking about, especially when it comes to other disciplines. But [that’s not the case](http://skepdic.com/nobeldisease.html). \*obscure The Who reference. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/53 "2015-11-20T13:00:42Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > How gullible all of you are. How dangerously gullible. The first part of this quote is extremely accurate, however, I wouldn’t exactly characterize those who wish to argue with a Scandinavian creature on a message board as _dangerous_. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/54 "2015-11-20T14:11:38Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > The first part of this quote is extremely accurate, however, I wouldn’t exactly characterize those who wish to argue with a Scandinavian creature on a message board as _dangerous_. Relating the term in question to Scandinavian folklore should be considered a folk etymology. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/55 "2015-11-20T16:24:46Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > Why doesn’t one of you take on fifty different people, simultaneously? Well, we keep **trying** to recruit Chuck Norris to the Dope . . . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/56 "2015-11-20T16:26:07Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > How unfortunate it is that every single one posting here is a disciple of Al Gore. > Name one person who has made more money on global warming than Al Gore. Just one. [Ah, yes . . .](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gore%27s_Law) ---
**Author:** ![Renaissance\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a9adbd/32.png) [@Renaissance\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renaissance_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/57 "2015-11-20T16:52:34Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > [Yawn](http://grist.org/climate-energy/water-vapor-accounts-for-almost-all-of-the-greenhouse-effect/)…got any vaguely sciency arguments… Mr. Dibble, why don’t you think for yourself instead of reading the propaganda written by those with billion dollar axes to grind? Do you have anything to say demonstrating that you personally understand the issues? Tell me what you know about water, for starters. Then discuss the range of pKa values, and why? What is the space of hemoglobin? Talk “sciency” yourself instead of simply pretending to be so profoundly erudite. Let’s see it. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/58 "2015-11-20T16:52:40Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > How gullible all of you are. How dangerously gullible. Now this is a funny thing to say. Let’s pretend you’re right. Global warming is a hoax concocted by scientists and Al Gore. We’re all gullible for falling for it. But _dangerously_ gullible? So we believe that the globe is warming and want to cut down our use of finite sources of fossil fuels. We want to move towards green energy like solar and wind. We want to reduce pollution, clean the air, clean water. That’s dangerous? Even if we’re wrong, what we end up with is less dependence on Middle Eastern oil, cleaner air and water, cheaper and more renewable sources of energy. You think that’s _ **dangerous** _? On the other hand, lets come back to reality for a second and realize global warming is happening, its real, and its going to have devastating effects on our planet. If we’re right, oceans will rise, species will go extinct, we’ll have more extreme weather, droughts, floods, etc. all for the sake of enriching a handful of oil executives, Middle Eastern monarchs, and the politicians they’ve bought off. _ **That’s** _ dangerous, it will kill people and destroy cities and make species go extinct. Watch your mouth on how you describe global warming. There is no comparison here. Even if global warming is not real, the steps taken to reduce it will be a net benefit to society. The only thing your side can cause is harm ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/59 "2015-11-20T17:07:06Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > Mr. Dibble, why don’t you think for yourself instead of reading the propaganda written by those with billion dollar axes to grind? You first. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/60 "2015-11-20T17:13:35Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Now this is a funny thing to say. > > Let’s pretend you’re right… Yes, but if what the OP is claiming is true, then the global warming hoax is leading to scientists getting paid, when that money instead could be directed to oil company executives. What a travesty! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010.md?page=4)