# The Global Warming Fraud **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 19, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010 "2015-11-19T20:24:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/81 "2015-11-20T22:59:05Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > Within a few years “children just aren’t going to know what snow is.” Snowfall will be “a very rare and exciting event.”- Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000. Same reply as in the other thread: "The end of snow" takedown by science writer Peter Hadfield. What you have there was posted in the Independent UK paper, and it was not made a scientist but by a staffer with no knowledge in the subject and he had to misinterpret what the scientists told him. That and the rest of the points you are making are indeed “the equivalent of school yard gossip” ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/82 "2015-11-20T23:00:53Z")
What’s the point being made here? When polls are wrong, we don’t dismiss the entire field of statistics, or meteorology when the weather forecast is wrong. And I’m interested in the answer to a previous question: normally, when hundreds of experts say A and three say B, we usually assume, and pretty safely, that A is true. Why not apply it to this issue too? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/83 "2015-11-20T23:11:46Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > Hundreds more comments and critiques like these could be posted, but they would all be dismissed by the rest of you with a giggly comment or two. Not “sciency,” but giggles. Nope, it is because those comments and critiques were dismissed before, and in this very message board years ago. The first item for example was showed by Peter Hadfiled a few years back that it was a misrepresentation of the science by the reported of the Independent newspaper. > [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > “Climate forcings,” oh please. Clever wordplay is not “sciency.” But this is really only shows to all that you are an ignorant on the issue. “Climate forcings” is an item that even climate skeptics use because it is part of the science. [http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/) So unless you are willing to toss one of the few climate change contrarians out there under the bus, you need to take your dismissal of “Climate forcings” back. [http://www.drroyspencer.com/2015/07/](http://www.drroyspencer.com/2015/07/) ---
**Author:** ![MarcusF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/67e7ee/32.png) [@MarcusF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarcusF)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/84 "2015-11-20T23:16:01Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > Former NASA Scientist: Global Warming Is ‘Nonsense’ > A prominent scientist and former NASA researcher has added his voice to those who challenge the “scientific fact” that man-made carbon emissions are causing global warming. > > Dr. Leslie Woodcock is a professor emeritus of chemical thermodynamics at the University of Manchester in England, with a PhD from the University of London, and served as a senior research consultant at the Wright-Patterson Air Force Laboratory in Ohio. > In an interview with Britain’s Yorkshire Evening Post, Woodcock declared: "The theory of ‘man-made climate change’ is an unsubstantiated hypothesis. > "The theory is that CO2 emitted by burning fossil fuel causes ‘global warming.’ In fact, water is a much more powerful greenhouse gas and there is 20 times more of it in our atmosphere [than carbon dioxide]. Dr Woodstock is obviously a very clever man: in the same interview in the [Yorkshire Post](http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/global-warming-is-rubbish-says-top-professor-1-6536732)he reveals as well as seeing through the climate change hoax he has come up with a radical new theory of matter :dubious: > [@](#): > > **From the _Yorkshire Post_** > Claims of a new elemental ‘state’ challenges scientific opinion and could have implications for business in the future > > Prof Woodcock is also challenging other scientific dogma and now he’s come up with a radical theory about matter. > > He explained: “It’s called a fourth state of matter. A colloid is a material in which one phase (solid, liquid or gas) disperses as very small particles or droplets in another (solid, liquid or gas). > > “Colloid science is a huge part of condensed matter physics and, indeed everyday life, for example: blood (solid in liquid) milk (emulsion of an oil in water). > > \ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/85 "2015-11-20T23:21:33Z")
I think he got that revelation when he suffered a concussion in an explosion he experienced during a train robbery. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/86 "2015-11-20T23:30:00Z")
A guy resigning because he doesn’t think scientists should say that global warming is absolutely positively caused by human activity isn’t even remotely “global warming is a fraud.” Not even a little tiny bit. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/87 "2015-11-21T01:47:03Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think he got that revelation when he suffered a concussion in an explosion he experienced during a train robbery. Cut the fuse too short? ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/88 "2015-11-21T02:10:26Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Once again my razor-sharp detection abilities pick up on a poster’s join date _before even looking at it._ :eek: > > I am reasonably sure that any climate scientist\* who could provide solid evidence that global warming is a fraud/hoax would not only get ample research funding, but be able to retire just on fees from speaking engagements, never mind book sales and awards from various and sundry admirers.You do know the derivation of “emeritus” which is from the Latin meaning “farmed out due to being over the hill and potentially loony”? > > \*this may not apply to professors of physics, geology, insect biology, English literature, art history and other subjects who so often turn up as experts on climate. My ample experience with professors of physics and insect biology start out loony. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/89 "2015-11-21T02:44:18Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That reminds me of another often-confused point, sea level rise: It is important to remember that the predicted rise of sea level caused by AGW is based not only on addition to the oceans of the volume of water now frozen at the poles, but also on the expansion of the volume of the liquid water **now** in the oceans – if that water warms, it expands, it takes up more volume, and the sea levels rise. Is this a significant effect? What is the increase in volume of a fixed mass of water that increases in temperature from 30 degrees F to 40 degrees F? I would have thought it was so trivial an amount as not to contribute meaningfully to sea-level rise. This is the first time I’ve ever heard this point made. I ain’t saying you’re wrong, but, er… Do you have a cite? (I looked for a graph online and found one that suggests the increase would be about 1/5 of one per cent. Over an entire ocean…that’s non-trivial, so I guess you’re right about this! I’d just never heard it mentioned before.) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/90 "2015-11-21T02:53:50Z")
I’d heard it before. Quirk of the physics. A quick Google search indicates that the average depth of the ocean is ~12,000 feet. So an increase of .2% would be an increase of 24 feet. Given that I live in the greater Charleston, SC area (average height above sea level’s something like 10 feet) I, at least, find this significant. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/91 "2015-11-21T03:27:43Z")
> [@Renaissance\_Man](#): > > 1. What “effects” could you possibly be talking about? Global warmists are spreading fear with outrageous, outlandish predictions of global catastrophe, such as mass extinctions, flooding, … flying exploding icebergs, rain that falls up, yellow snow, storms of googly eyed English lords, singing polar bears going “it’s a trick, it’s a trick, with your tricky hockey stick”… ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/92 "2015-11-21T04:36:50Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > … flying exploding icebergs, rain that falls up, yellow snow, storms of googly eyed English lords, singing polar bears going “it’s a trick, it’s a trick, with your tricky hockey stick”… Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/93 "2015-11-21T05:08:46Z")
Oh well, he is banned, it is clear that he will have plenty of stormy places to spew his hate. \* - No, not that one, WUWT is also getting a lot of people that only have hate besides denying science. > **[Laid bare: the sociopathology of climate science denial](https://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/11/laid-bare-sociopathology-of-climate.html)** > > Global warming & climate change. Eavesdropping on climate science deniers, their weird pseudo-science and crazy conspiracy theories. > [@](#): > > Within minutes of the terrorist killings in Paris last night, there was a WUWT blog article, plus numerous tweets and retweets. Anthony Watts milked the horror of the terrorist attacks in Paris for all he could get out of it (archived here and here). Several hours later he added a French flag and the word “solidarité” to his blog header (archived here), perhaps in an attempt to soften his crass opportunism, or perhaps make more mileage. > > This episode demonstrates again what Anthony and his followers at [wattsupwiththat.com](http://wattsupwiththat.com) (WUWT) are really like underneath their charade of climate science denial. It’s not the first time Anthony Watts has shown he has no class and is incapable of empathy. In the past he has seized on a disastrous tragedy, Haiyan, and used it as an opportunity for another attack on science. And if you decide to read the WUWT comments, you’ll see that denial goes hand in hand with the bigotry of some deniers. > > Shame on them. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/94 "2015-11-21T07:43:39Z")
I know the guy is gone, but I just want to add FTR that I was using “sciency” to characterize the water argument just to contrast it with the ad hominem Gore-flies-in-planes _non-sciency_ arguments ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/95 "2015-11-21T10:47:27Z")
I’ve enjoyed seeing Monkton’s reaction to the Pope’s climate concern’s. He’s a real conservative catholic and you can see on his face the indigestibility of the infallible pope telling him he’s wrong. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/LAsfBfmi4yc/maxresdefault.jpg "Lord Monckton: Windfarms, computer models and the pope") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAsfBfmi4yc) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/96 "2015-11-21T13:30:33Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > I’ve enjoyed seeing Monkton’s reaction to the Pope’s climate concern’s. He’s a real conservative catholic and you can see on his face the indigestibility of the infallible pope telling him he’s wrong. > > [https://youtu.be/LAsfBfmi4yc?t=2m34s](https://youtu.be/LAsfBfmi4yc?t=2m34s) The pope is not “infallible” on such matters. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/97 "2015-11-21T13:33:25Z")
You know that. I know that. Does \*he \*know that ? ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/98 "2015-11-21T13:35:15Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Oh well, he is banned, it is clear that he will have plenty of stormy places to spew his hate. [In before the thread is toast] He was likely a sock, quite possibly **FX** ’s. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/99 "2015-11-21T14:05:29Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I’d heard it before. Quirk of the physics. > > A quick Google search indicates that the average depth of the ocean is ~12,000 feet. So an increase of .2% would be an increase of 24 feet. Given that I live in the greater Charleston, SC area (average height above sea level’s something like 10 feet) I, at least, find this significant. I have the coefficient of thermal expansion of water (linear) at 69 x 10[sup]-6[/sup] ºC[sup]-1[/sup]. So for your 3,000 m water column, the rise would be 0.2 m ºC[sup]-1[/sup]. Looks like around a 15ºC temperature increase to make grief in Charleston due to just thermal expansion, but I’m afraid the rise due to ice melting will get you a lot sooner. You and all the Florida refugees can work together to build higher seawalls … ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-global-warming-fraud/738010/100 "2015-11-21T14:19:07Z")
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