# The good doctor's post was okay - it's Bodoni's that's idiotic **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2006, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325 "2006-04-12T03:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/121 "2006-04-12T16:39:39Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Why does this board have such a hard time with allowing “offensive” pit threads? > > So I’m in the group he’s pitting. He’s got a fair point, whether or not I’m offended. 50% of marriages _do_ end in divorce, and forcing a child’s existence (whether in or out of marriage) is one of the most presumptious things one can do (although I’ve done it). > > He pitted marriage. Get a grip. Get over it. He claimed to be pitting people who get married, not marriage, although that’s not exactly what he did. And 50% of marriages in the US do not end in divorce, nor have they ever. You may find [this New York Times article](http://www.divorcereform.org/nyt05.html) interesting. It includes this statement: > [@](#): > > The method preferred by social scientists in determining the divorce rate is > to calculate how many people who have ever married subsequently divorced. > Counted that way, the rate has never exceeded about 41 percent, researchers > say. Although sharply rising rates in the 1970’s led some to project that > the number would keep increasing, the rate has instead begun to inch > downward. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/122 "2006-04-12T16:40:32Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Again for the terminally stupid: it was NOT closed because he Pitted marriage. It was closed because of his BEHAVIOR in said thread. If I may speculatively expand on this, his behaviour in the marriage thread (and in this thread as well, actually) demonstrates that he is not choosing to alter his behaviour from that which got him suspended and Lynn’s patience has worn out. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/123 "2006-04-12T16:40:41Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > More like the board’s **Nathan Thurm** if you ask me. Perfect! ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/124 "2006-04-12T16:42:17Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > You could, but it’d sound ever so much more bitchin if you put a number (preferably large) behind it. How does **DrHentor3000000000** strike you? To keep with the Rush theme of my screen name, I’d have to be DrHentor2112 or maybe DrHentor1001001. Of course, it’s a norm among psychologists that one not employ the title “Dr.” outside the context of our professional work, leaving that to physicians. **drmark2000’s** ignoring this norm suggests he is either not aware of it (further casting doubt as to the veracity of his claim) or that he is in need of excessive validation from others, or both. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/125 "2006-04-12T16:46:58Z")
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > I have no objection to such a thread in GD, as long as it’s not trolling. Heck, I’ll start it myself once I think of a good “hook”, unless someone beats me to it. ---
**Author:** ![davenportavenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@davenportavenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davenportavenger)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/126 "2006-04-12T16:47:12Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Again for the terminally stupid: it was NOT closed because he Pitted marriage. It was closed because of his BEHAVIOR in said thread. Perhaps the best response is to configure drmark’s posting ability so he can only make new threads, but not post in any of them. Seriously, he comes up with some pretty interesting topics, ones I actually tend to agree with a lot of the time (the “having children is the greatest cruelty” one comes to mind); it’s his continued presence in the posts that makes them suck. Especially his condescending “tis the glory of these boards!” type talk. Even when I agree with him, I have the feeling that he’s jerking me around somehow or making fun of me behind my back. But yeah, I do like a lot of the topics he posts. I just can’t help, though, that we’re all being used for some kind of psychological experiment. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/127 "2006-04-12T16:48:14Z")
Oops, I realize that sounds ambiguous. By “hook” I mean an interesting opening statement, not “hook” in the sense of trolling. Actually, I think I should steer clear of fishing metaphors altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/128 "2006-04-12T16:54:26Z")
> [@davenportavenger](#): > > But yeah, I do like a lot of the topics he posts. I just can’t help, though, that we’re all being used for some kind of psychological experiment. Poppycock. Next thing you’ll try to tell me that this pellet that I’m reaching for is rigged to deliver an electric shock. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/129 "2006-04-12T17:02:03Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Actually, I think I should steer clear of fishing metaphors altogether. So, what line do you intend to use? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/130 "2006-04-12T17:03:02Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > So, what line do you intend to use? Quit baiting him, **tomndebb**. ---
**Author:** ![Mindfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindfield/32/19759_2.png) [@Mindfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mindfield)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/131 "2006-04-12T17:10:56Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > Fine all thread start by drmark2000. > > Jim If only we could. drmark could pay all our memberships for the next decade. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/132 "2006-04-12T17:32:46Z")
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > I have no objection to such a thread in GD, as long as it’s not trolling. I considered **drmark’s** OP to be trolling, which is why I closed the thread, and why I have asked the other mods about his posting privileges (and we are still talking, BTW, most of us have lives outside the SDMB). > > And yeah, _I_ can say that I think someone’s trolling, because I’m on the moderating staff. What part of his OP was trolling? > [@](#): > > I pit people who get married. > Is it fair to another person (and to any children who may be produced) to get married when there has been a 50% divorce rate for the past 40 years? His statistics where off, but if that is trolling I pity a lot of dopers. > [@](#): > > Is it right to base a decision that will affect one’s life for the rest of one’s life on the flip of a coin? > > Is it right to base an industry around one day which the man dreads, and the woman looks forward to because it will probably be the only day in her life when she is the complete center of attention? (Many women have admitted this to me.) Using information he “heard” is probably idiotic to base an argument on, but it is commonly used on the board. But still not trolling he is stating his belief. Show me somewhere else where he has said he believes in marriage. That’s trolling. > [@](#): > > Why do we continue to perpetuate this shibboleth of marriage when it is clearly an ineffective and damaging means to bind one man and one woman together in an unnatural monagamous union? > > Why the hell do we do it? Valid questions. I disagree strongly with his opinions, but I also strongly disagree with other posters opinions, can we work on getting all of them banned? \*\*\*\*\* I Just Grabbed The First Pit Thread I Saw\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* > [@Mr. Roboto](#): > > I’m Not Lovin’ the IRS right now… > The Nazi regime is alive and thriving in the U.S… > Tax’ed up the rectum and no relief in sight. Hide little children, the Stormtroopers will come and take mommy & daddy away. Amerika’s cancer within, Bush’s SS. Wow comparing the IRS to Nazi’s and storm troopers, that’s fucking inflammatory material. Better lock that thread and talk about his posting priviledges! Sure seems like that is trolling for some responses. If he wasn’t he would have written it like this > [@](#): > > I’m not loving the IRS right now, not hating them either. > The carebear brigade is alive and thriving in this world… You get some taxed that is you do not pay they will come and ask you nicely to pay. You know because if I offend a lot of people I am considered a “troll” so from now on better watch what you say. I may be new, and my opinions may not matter but this mentality displayed by majority rules, other opinions get called “trolling” doesn’t bode well for my 15$ redo. You shouldn’t ban anyone that is expressing there views no matter how badly they are disagreed with. Unless and until you can show (Like with a recent poster) they are LYING to garner attention. From what I have read, he may be a jerk IMO, his views differ greatly from mine, he is consistent in his dislike for various things others may like. That doesn’t make him a troll. You don’t like him ignore him, don’t open his posts do not reply to his posts, to make it an “official” banning is just utter bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/133 "2006-04-12T17:35:21Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Quit baiting him, **tomndebb**. But **tom** ’s a master! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/134 "2006-04-12T17:39:38Z")
> [@Abbie Normal](#): > > What part of his OP was trolling? As others have said, it’s not the OP but rather a pattern of behavior: > [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > It occurs to me that drmark’s “support” for a thread premise tends to be: > > drmark: [Observes behaviour that seems unusual to him. Asks proponents to explain] > respondents: Said behaviour isn’t at all unusual to us. > d: Yes, but _why_ isn’t it unusual to you? > r: It just isn’t. You’re asking about an arbitrary preference. > d: But _why_ do you feel that way? > r: What do you mean, why do we feel that way? We have several reasons. We don’t understand your objection to the behaviour since it affects you in no way. > d: But _why_ don’t you understand my objection? > r: We explained it several times already. Are you on drugs? > d: The fact that you ask that says more about you than about me. > r: So you _are_ on drugs? > d: I have a PhD. > r: We doubt it. > d: Your doubt says more about you than it does about me. Typical. > > …and so on. That thread was clearly heading in the same direction, one which he has been instructed to avoid. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/135 "2006-04-12T17:41:40Z")
I don’t think drmark2000 should go. I’ve argued with him, and I think he’s an arrogant man (or woman) hiding behind a shield of even greater arrogance. And he does have a tendency to ignore requests for cites (certainly strange for a clinical psychologist, as referencing other research/articles is pretty much essential when doing any of your own work). But these are just attributes of an idiot, not a troll. Of course, I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![misshannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3e96dc/32.png) [@misshannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misshannah)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/136 "2006-04-12T17:42:06Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > But **tom** ’s a master! AH HA HA HA I **love** that joke! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/137 "2006-04-12T17:44:02Z")
> [@Abbie Normal](#): > > …he may be a jerk… [ > [@](#): > > Forum Rules > > We have one guiding principle: Don’t be a jerk. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/rules.php?)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/rules.php?)) CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/138 "2006-04-12T17:44:27Z")
> [@Abbie Normal](#): > > What part of his OP was trolling? > …snip… You don’t like him ignore him, don’t open his posts do not reply to his posts, to make it an “official” banning is just utter bullshit. Everything you say is basically true but read through his other threads and the one I reference above and tell me there isn’t a consistent pattern in line with what Lynn said. Besides I don’t think many posters fall into this category. I never seen you get raked by most of the board over a post, but maybe I missed something. On Preview as Lute said. **Mindfield** : I guess that was a Freudian slip on my part. 😉 Jim ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/139 "2006-04-12T17:47:34Z")
> [@misshannah](#): > > AH HA HA HA > I **love** that joke! What? A joke? Dang, now **Lynn** ’s going to close this thread! So, two nuns walk into a bar … ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325/140 "2006-04-12T17:55:13Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > [url=http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/rules.php?] > CMC fnord! Yeah it’s nice to see that rule, who decides what a jerk is? The majority? Exactly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-good-doctors-post-was-okay-its-bodonis-thats-idiotic/352325.md?page=8)